Topic: "Chivalry"

[Casey Kandel]

You looking for advice? I charge for that... lol.

One thing you could do if you got a good pain tolerance level. As she is hitting you ignore her, or say "man I need to buy a bug killer, I got mosquitoes" If she hits too hard to resist, get it on the ground, get on top of her with her arms under your legs and pinch her chicks like a little baby and tell her that she is just wanting to get your attention so bad because she is needy. Then you give her a kiss, get up and tell her that you are still buying that mosquito repellent. Be a jerk, but be funny and "sweet".

Last time I used the "attention" thing I got the silent treatment.
She says I give her pimples on her face with my dirty hands when I touch her face.
When I wrestle her she says I give her bruises on her wrists. (I'll have to try the kiss with it thought to see if that makes it better)

My cousins boyfriend did the mosquito thing to her and it wound up with her breaking her ring and pinky knuckles punching him in the face.

Most of us parkour guys are very tickilish it seems. lol.

[Robillard]

You looking for advice? I charge for that... lol.

One thing you could do if you got a good pain tolerance level. As she is hitting you ignore her, or say "man I need to buy a bug killer, I got mosquitoes" If she hits too hard to resist, get it on the ground, get on top of her with her arms under your legs and pinch her chicks like a little baby and tell her that she is just wanting to get your attention so bad because she is needy. Then you give her a kiss, get up and tell her that you are still buying that mosquito repellent. Be a jerk, but be funny and "sweet".

Last time I used the "attention" thing I got the silent treatment.
She says I give her pimples on her face with my dirty hands when I touch her face.
When I wrestle her she says I give her bruises on her wrists. (I'll have to try the kiss with it thought to see if that makes it better)

My cousins boyfriend did the mosquito thing to her and it wound up with her breaking her ring and pinky knuckles punching him in the face.

Most of us parkour guys are very tickilish it seems. lol.

lmao that must of been one hell of a punch.


and when you wrestle her don't do it like you would in a match, just kinda pick her up in a firemans carry or something like was mentioned earlier. go into a double leg lift and just hold her, stuff like that. you don't have to grab her wrists and do setups, she doesn't know how to defend, i think. lol

[Ozzi]

I would just say find better woman that are not such wusses or cry babies. 

[Andy Keller]

I would just say find better woman that are not such wusses or cry babies. 

Amen.

[Matt Hudson]

whew...

Well as far as being a gentlemen, I do consider myself one, I do not hit women at all.
However, I do wrestle with women, and play around tickle them etc, basically what was discussed here.
But as far as defending my life or my body, hmm.... simply put, when I'm hit I go into a rageful state of mind. I don't see man or women, I see target, enemy, opponent, etc.. I have been put down by my family for this because I have beat up my sister once or twice. They will never let me live it down, and I really don't give a f#ck. I don't like to be hit, whether playfully or not, if playful, is will be obviously, if it was intended to hurt, common sense will tell me so, and I'll become an instant rage machine. I'm very predictable I guess you could say. But like I said, I consider myself to be a man. I don't give a f#ck what the standards of today are, my family literally beat it into me to respect women, and there are never any excuses for hitting one. but like I said, when I'm mad, you're not a gender, your a target.

watch out ladies, and btw, if I'm not trying to hurt you, my tongue may be involved in your torture. just fyi

[operation_jetpack]

so everyone tickles girls, why does everyone feel the need to say that? its not like tickling stories are very fun to imagine 


cue lame sexual joke

[Rebecca Myers]

Only problem I've had with guys in wrestling was last season. This kid wrestled 125, and his usually training partner was out that day. So he was put with me and my partner, we wrestled 103 and 96. He would take the other guy down, but tried at all costs to not drill on me. When the other kid went to the trainer for a nasty cut, he was forced to drill on me. He took me down, and didn't cover for two, he knocked me over slowly and let me fall. I was craaazy pissed, but I didn't say anything. The rest of my team is cool with a girl on the team though.

In judo I've never had a problem, not yet atleast.

Jujitsu, not really either. The club I go to is all college guys, ranging from 140-190lbs. They know I'm small and not nearly as skilled or strong, so they don't go all out, but they fight hard enough that I get worked.

[Robillard]

Only problem I've had with guys in wrestling was last season. This kid wrestled 125, and his usually training partner was out that day. So he was put with me and my partner, we wrestled 103 and 96. He would take the other guy down, but tried at all costs to not drill on me. When the other kid went to the trainer for a nasty cut, he was forced to drill on me. He took me down, and didn't cover for two, he knocked me over slowly and let me fall. I was craaazy pissed, but I didn't say anything. The rest of my team is cool with a girl on the team though.

In judo I've never had a problem, not yet atleast.

Jujitsu, not really either. The club I go to is all college guys, ranging from 140-190lbs. They know I'm small and not nearly as skilled or strong, so they don't go all out, but they fight hard enough that I get worked.

96? is that high school. florida doesn't have a 96lb weight class for highschool.

[Gregg]

We had a 98# that became 103# partway through the season [in high school]. That was our lightest, tho. I didn't have to wrestle girls. In karate we had a mixed class. I don't remember any awkward times.

Ozzi's approach of playful fighting is the only one I've found where the guy can "win". Learn how to avoid, roll or block the worst she throws at you. For someone you're in a relationship with, [i.e. sister, friend] if you hurt her, that's all she'll remember. She won't remember that she kicked you in the nads or whatever, just that you hit her.

[Rebecca Myers]

Yea, here in NY we have 96 which becomes 98 after christmas, and 103 which becomes 105. I was 103, but I'm moving up to 112.

Where in Florida are you? My friend lives there and he wrestles too.

[Gregg]

Where in Florida are you? My friend lives there and he wrestles too.

Were you asking me? I live in Hawaii, about a 30 mile drive, 15 mile swim, 30 mile run, 30 mile swim and 15 mile bus ride away from Ozzi. I only wrestled one season, in Michigan. I mostly won by forfeit - most teams didn't have a JV wrestler that light. That was a long time, and 80 pounds ago.

[Robillard]

Yea, here in NY we have 96 which becomes 98 after christmas, and 103 which becomes 105. I was 103, but I'm moving up to 112.

Where in Florida are you? My friend lives there and he wrestles too.

when i wrestled i was in ft.lauderdale. Archbishop McCarthy in cooper city to be more specific if you know where that is. right now im going to USF in tampa. I'm on and off with the club but i'll probably get more involved next semester. Where does your friend wrestle?

[Rebecca Myers]

I dunno the school but it's around Orlando.

Ozzi, everyone knows you're in Hawaii And hahaaaa. At many tournaments our 96 went 103, I was injured for the majority of the season, because many teams had no 96. And 103 and 275 don't count for points, they're exhibition.

[Robillard]

I dunno the school but it's around Orlando.

Ozzi, everyone knows you're in Hawaii And hahaaaa. At many tournaments our 96 went 103, I was injured for the majority of the season, because many teams had no 96. And 103 and 275 don't count for points, they're exhibition.

if he goes to college probably University of Central Florida. but Orlando is like an hour away from Tampa so thats pretty cool. If you ever go visit we should have an Orlando/Tampa jam.

and ya. in Florida 103 and 275 count towards points and go up by the weight allowance (2 lbs) after new years. we don't have a 96 except for off-season tournaments. and ya injuries suck. i had a broken collar bone for half the season my first year. The day after districts my doctor said i could wrestle again. i was so pissed. still went to every practice and got my varsity letter though, so that was cool.

[Rebecca Myers]

**Sorry, 96 and 275 don't count. 103 counts, I count haha.

My friend is in High School.

[Patrick Yang]

I think that idea of chivalry is silly.  Why should anyone be expected to treat women any differently than men?  I have never hit a woman out of anything but playfulness, but that's true of everyone, male and female.  I hold doors open for both men and women.  I walk my female friends home at night, but that's more of a practical reason: they're more likely to be seen as targets by muggers and such.

I can think of few reasons to ever hit anyone outside of training and play, but if I were ever in a situation where serious harm could come to me or mine, I would have no problem ending the fight quickly and brutally, no matter the sex of my opponent.

[Robillard]

I think that idea of chivalry is silly.  Why should anyone be expected to treat women any differently than men?  I have never hit a woman out of anything but playfulness, but that's true of everyone, male and female.  I hold doors open for both men and women.  I walk my female friends home at night, but that's more of a practical reason: they're more likely to be seen as targets by muggers and such.

I can think of few reasons to ever hit anyone outside of training and play, but if I were ever in a situation where serious harm could come to me or mine, I would have no problem ending the fight quickly and brutally, no matter the sex of my opponent.

chivalry isn't solely about how men should treat women. it also includes how we should respect other men and how we should conduct ourselves in public. It is simply an etiquette that gentlemen are supposed to live by.
this includes holding the door open for other people just to be polite, especially in the case of the women, children, and elderly people. Not cursing or swearing in front of your elders, women, or little kids. keeping proper hygiene and many other things.

[Patrick Yang]

chivalry isn't solely about how men should treat women. it also includes how we should respect other men and how we should conduct ourselves in public. It is simply an etiquette that gentlemen are supposed to live by.
this includes holding the door open for other people just to be polite, especially in the case of the women, children, and elderly people. Not cursing or swearing in front of your elders, women, or little kids. keeping proper hygiene and many other things.

Allow me to clarify.  I meant that I found the part of chivalry dealing with the disparity between sexes to be rather silly, since that seemed to be where the discussion focused.  I apologise for the miscommunication.

That said, I do find other parts of chivalry rather silly as well.  The idea that a person should be held to a certain set of societal expectation with regards to honour is a little confining.  Since morality seems to be completely a societal construct (see: what is acceptable in different societies throughout the ages), holding everyone to a single moral meterstick seems a little ludicrous.  And even if you don't hold other people to it, honour just seems a little to overly machismo for me to adopt it as a personal credo.

And then there's courtly love.  I guess that's the crux of the problem, isn't it?  That's where the crap about treating the sexes differently comes from.  Courtly love advocates putting the woman on so high a pedestal that no one would ever be able to attain such ideals.  The woman becomes an object, dehumanized, to be won through words and deeds.  The chivalric code also allowed for social manipulation of men by women.  The woman, as long as her actions were ladylike, was able to make all sorts of ridiculous requests that were expected to be followed by the courting man.  "Prove to me your love by..."

Don't get me wrong.  There are parts of the chivalric code that I agree with.  For example, protecting the weak can be seen as an application of "etre fort pour etre utile".  Being respectful toward everyone is something I can get behind.  And you won't hear me swearing off showers any time soon. 

[Robillard]

chivalry isn't solely about how men should treat women. it also includes how we should respect other men and how we should conduct ourselves in public. It is simply an etiquette that gentlemen are supposed to live by.
this includes holding the door open for other people just to be polite, especially in the case of the women, children, and elderly people. Not cursing or swearing in front of your elders, women, or little kids. keeping proper hygiene and many other things.

Allow me to clarify.  I meant that I found the part of chivalry dealing with the disparity between sexes to be rather silly, since that seemed to be where the discussion focused.  I apologise for the miscommunication.

That said, I do find other parts of chivalry rather silly as well.  The idea that a person should be held to a certain set of societal expectation with regards to honour is a little confining.  Since morality seems to be completely a societal construct (see: what is acceptable in different societies throughout the ages), holding everyone to a single moral meterstick seems a little ludicrous.  And even if you don't hold other people to it, honour just seems a little to overly machismo for me to adopt it as a personal credo.

And then there's courtly love.  I guess that's the crux of the problem, isn't it?  That's where the crap about treating the sexes differently comes from.  Courtly love advocates putting the woman on so high a pedestal that no one would ever be able to attain such ideals.  The woman becomes an object, dehumanized, to be won through words and deeds.  The chivalric code also allowed for social manipulation of men by women.  The woman, as long as her actions were ladylike, was able to make all sorts of ridiculous requests that were expected to be followed by the courting man.  "Prove to me your love by..."

Don't get me wrong.  There are parts of the chivalric code that I agree with.  For example, protecting the weak can be seen as an application of "etre fort pour etre utile".  Being respectful toward everyone is something I can get behind.  And you won't hear me swearing off showers any time soon. 

lol. good point. I like most of the post, especially the courtly love part. the only thing i have a slight problem with is the morality part. Certain things may change between cultures and over time but the main ideas of morality (no killing, no stealing, no unnecessary fighting, etc) tends to remain the same. certain ideas like appropriate language (how accepted profanity is) and sex (homosexuality, incest, etc.) tend to change a lot depending on the culture though.
We do need some sort of societal expectations, although they often change. for example women now have different expectations than they did in the 1800s. Sex roles will most probably be prevalent for the rest of time, although they will change constantly.
Anyways we need expectations to have some sort of standard of decency to hold people to, like the hygiene thing, or dressing properly, but even these change all the time. people used to (and many cultures still do) find body odor attractive and there's the case of nudists.

I do agree with you about the courtly love part though. I don't think women should be put up on a high pedestal and such. I think this becomes the problem that a lot of "nice" chivalrous guys run into. They consider the women a goddess almost and become to afraid to make any moves while the "jerk" is comfortable talking to women and making moves which is why they normally get the girl. I guess what I'm saying is women do deserve a degree of respect, as does everyone, but they shouldn't be put on a pedestal and idolized.