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Parkour North America Launches

Sunday, 14 October 2007

A new wesbsite that aims to bring local parkour communities together and give people in North America a place to discuss parkour has just launched ... check out www.parkournorthamerica.com.

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1. 10-16-2007 16:39

Now we have more levels of specificness.

Urban Freeflow- Worldwide

Parkour North America- North America

Here- America

Now we just need sites for states, counties, and towns.

b5200

2. 10-16-2007 18:09

Isn't PK.net worldwide?

And some states already have sites...MadPK has one...and MN is working on it.

HuoMaKe

3. 10-16-2007 19:09

yeah .net is worldwide; bigger than UF, i think. there's nothing odd about having sites for your city or state; it's actually pretty common.

ThePKoala

4. 10-16-2007 20:34

Just so you know, APK isnt just here in the states, it is all of north america as well. the difference between here and NAPK is they are only accepting to the idea of anti-competition view, whereas here you can discuss anything and everyone is advised to listen with an open mind. you can have any view you want, but you cant belittle someone for thinking differently!

so yeah, less specification, but more friendliness.

Skipper

5. 10-16-2007 21:23

after reading about it, i still doing quite get the point to have it...Honestly, i think the last thing the parkour community needs is another website.

Pyro4pk

6. 10-17-2007 03:34

Parkour.net is the only true international Parkour community. It is available in multiple languages with an actual foundation of members who speak these separate languages. No other Parkour forum is maintained on the international level as Parkour.net.

As for the purpose of PKNA; PKNA is not commercialized nor sponsored or affiliated with any singular fitness program/product, I.E. Fit Fuel, Crosshit, or kswiss. As the member stated above, it's official stance is anti Parkour-competition.

As for those who say "the last thing the community needs is another website", I invite you to give me reasoning for that.

The notion that PKNA is "unfriendly" because the official stance is anti-competition, or that APK is somehow more friendly than PKNA is false. From what I've seen, people are free to discuss things there and anything pro-competition is never censored.

Although I'd like to make clear that I'm not speaking for anyone but myself here, so don't take my words for it.

-Ken

KenDevilGod

7. 10-17-2007 05:45

Ken It's a forum. The forum is as nice as its people. The main body of your population will be people who either moved over to pkna or check both forums. You see that way its basically the same people. If its the same people than it'll be the same thing.

SatSantokh

8. 10-17-2007 06:02

Crosshit? Lrn2spell noob its CrossFit!

LeoNn

9. 10-17-2007 07:50

Do you seriously think that was a accidental typo?

KenDevilGod

10. 10-17-2007 07:51

Do you seriously think that was an accidental typo?

KenDevilGod

11. 10-17-2007 07:53

That double post on the other hand was clearly accidental.

KenDevilGod

12. 10-17-2007 08:34

well, a typo would have been preferable to a display of gross ignorance :roll

K-SWISS - makes awesome shoes and allows Tribe guys to jam together more

fitFuel - sells supplements like many other places but has great prices, a great business ethic, and offers discounts for APK members

CrossFit- among the best fitness training available, and proving it constantly

Tribe - great guys who are always helping others and improving themselves.

Any problem you have with any of the above is fine with me, you have a right to your opinion. I stand behind all of these things as being beneficial to this community. You're welcome to exercise your right to not use APK at any time.

M2.

13. 10-17-2007 08:56

CrossFit- among the best fitness training available, and proving it constantly

Cute.

KenDevilGod

14. 10-17-2007 10:19

Ken, how about offering an explanation for your anti-crossfit mentality, instead of a useless asinine comment.
cute? grow up

Hak

15. 10-17-2007 10:54

The reason the community doesn't need another website is because they are killing the community. It's pretty obvious that PKNA has only created/strengthend a divide between groups and people. Which in the end is making all of us(traceurs in general) less of a "community"

Pyro4pk

16. 10-17-2007 11:17

Ken, werent you just going on about how friendly napk is? Youre kinda going against that notion.

Skipper

17. 10-17-2007 13:33

I still think APK is the best for American traceurs...we have all the resources right here...thanks to M2, of course

HuoMaKe

18. 10-17-2007 13:50

Ken since crossfit sucks so badly can you please tell us what would be better? Stop being so immature and hating anything that is APK related. Not only has the tribe contributed more to parkour than you have but each individual member has done more than twice as much as you ever will for parkour.

SatSantokh

19. 10-17-2007 19:12

Whoever said that I'm "proving" PKNA isn't very friendly because I'm unfriendly isn't very bright. Did you not read where I made clear that I'm speaking for myself and not PKNA? Are you able to see past the fact that I am not PKNA, but only a member? I'm a member of .NET too, but I'm sure you wouldn't see that place as unfriendly.

As for PKNA "dividing" the community, you might want to talk to M2 about that because he's part of the reason PKNA was created. If there are any dividers, I'd put my finger on him.

The crosshit fanboys are comical. Oh, you know - the ludicrous amounts of money crosshit makes selling information to people who could have gotten it at no cost.. The "certifications" and "qualifications" they sell to people with a little instruction who have no idea what they're doing (think Primal Fitness or every lame ass Crosshit gym in the States). Or maybe it's their blatant "tacticool" front of being some sort of "military" or "special operations warrior fitness program" bullshit. Fuck outta here.

SatSantokh, I could care less if TheTribe, Parkour.NET or PKNA contributed more to the community than I have. What exactly have Jesse Woody and Mark Toorock done for Parkour besides selling people bullshit information and making money simultaneously? What have the guys at the Tribe done besides appear on Survivor and other television shows?

I don't have everything that's APK related, I've had this opinion about Crosshit before APK was even around.

"Great, stop being immature Ken.. Now let me brownnose the Tribe while giving you some cowardly insult."

Some of you may not get your dignity back after that sincere and total ass kissing. I can still smell the essence of Mark Toorock's avaricious sphincter on your lips from the comfort of my chair.

How trite. :roll

KenDevilGod

20. 10-17-2007 19:18

Don't mind Ken. He doesn't even fit in at parkour.net.

Demon

21. 10-17-2007 19:23

whether you believe it or not, ken actually has been very productive on the international scene, giving lots of (good) advice to others, regardless of his more frank approach.

also, i'd hardly say that apk is so "open minded" considering some of the leading members (not just directed at you alone M2) were going on about competition being "inevitable" on .Net and that we might as well get on the train.

Being open minded doesn't mean being stupid and just saying that everything is great and dandy-something such as competition obviously has negative results; just look at that freerunning competition that was on the front page: the first place winner broke his leg i believe. That is just one of the largest reasons to avoid competition, not only does competition push people to do things they aren't ready for, but it also completely dilutes the spirit of parkour.

ThePKoala

22. 10-17-2007 19:59

It is pure hilarity that Demon would even bring up Parkour.NET, because not even your well-written article posted on Julie Angel's website about adventures with the Yamakasi would be seen as favorable there. And that's right, I still think that was a good article. My opinions aren't influenced and subject to change because of my instructions/associations with someone who could set me up for a great business opportunity.

Thanks for that, PKoala.

KenDevilGod

23. 10-17-2007 20:49

Are you still talking ken?
I mean, youre taking this a little far with the negativity, talking down to people, and insulting people, dont you think" Clean it up or leave, im not really sure whats keeping you here in the first place, seeing as you think so highly of us :roll

settle down, hoss. nobody likes that attitude, and your attacks arent winning you any friends either. You have your site, we have ours. lets just continue on peacefully.
thanks.

Skipper

24. 10-17-2007 21:14

I never came here to insult anyone, in fact if you go to my original post you'll see that I came here without a negative attitude. I never started off by insulting anyone, I only gave a corruption of the name "CrossFit" and someone somehow decided that that has something to do with APK. Skipper, how could you come to the conclusion that I think lowly of the members of APK? I'm only good friends with one member that posts here, I don't know any of you and I don't hold any negative views of anyone who posts here.

As for the people like "the Tribe" and the people that shove their heads that far up "the Tribe's" ass, before calling me negative consider the fact that you are the ones who bragged about your (meaningless) "contributions" to Parkour, only because I purposefully mis-spelled "Crossfit".

I've only responded harshly to people who responded harshly. Just go back and read my first comment, if you have the will.

Anyway, if you're not sure what's "keeping me here" you may have noticed that a good number of people demanded an explanation from me.

KenDevilGod

25. 10-17-2007 21:30

"Skipper, how could you come to the conclusion that I think lowly of the members of APK? I'm only good friends with one member that posts here, I don't know any of you and I don't hold any negative views of anyone who posts here. "

"Some of you may not get your dignity back after that sincere and total ass kissing. I can still smell the essence of Mark Toorock's avaricious sphincter on your lips from the comfort of my chair.

How trite. :roll

"

Stop, just stop. If thats not thinking lowly of the members here, I dont know what is. We are done here, chill out buddy.

Skipper

26. 10-17-2007 21:41

Someone seems to be incapable of distinguishing the entire APK community from the few members who responded negatively in this particular discussion.

Very agrestic reasoning, Skipper.

KenDevilGod

27. 10-17-2007 22:17

why does this conversation exist? Because people feel differently about th why things should be done? It seems simple to me, let people do things the way they want, and see if those people reach their desired outcomes ... is that so hard? Ken it's fine with me that you feel so negatively towards me and Tribe and people who like us ... we do what we do and it meets the results we are looking for, helping people to learn about Parkour and freerunning, and yes, fitness. If it's not the way you'd do it that's fine with me, I must say you've gone quite far to be insulting about it which doesn't really have a chance at a positive outcome. I've already said this twice today, but it seems like another place where this is appropriate - a two year old can point out the problem, what we need is people who can offer solutions. Now Ken, maybe I missed some timely advice from you on good fitness practices or how to run a team or educate people on Parkour and Freerunning, but if I didn't it seems you are only pointing out problems, and I have to say I personally don't find that to be very useful. Be strong to be --- insulting? Condescending? Foul?
I can't say that I see you as an example that makes me want to hear what you have to say, no matter who you do or don't represent.

M2.

28. 10-17-2007 23:20

People are taking things way out of context. The thing is, I don't have sincere negative feelings of you, the Tribe, APK, or anyone.

I enjoy taking cynical approaches to things like this. I simply made a crack at CrossFit and now this entire page is filled with cynicism and name calling. If someone (I.E. SatSantokh) insults me, you cannot act surprised if I insult them. If you call me ignorant, you cannot expect me not to respond back.

Because of the responses in this conversation, something leads me to believe everyone thinks that I'm coming here to troll or start some kind of rivalry. Not true. The only reason I posted a response to this discussion was to confirm ThePKoala's assertion that .NET was the official international Parkour community and to inform some people about what PKNA is.

As for the CrossFit thing, that's not a responsibility of mine. It's only an opinion I hold, just as everyone that responded to me holds their own opinion. This is the internet and I really hope that no one cares about what other people say.

KenDevilGod

29. 10-18-2007 04:59

Why didnt you explain that when you were arguing with one of us? Why is this all different now that M2 jumped in? And now its being played off as a tactic. Well, you had me going. congrats?

BTW my examples showed that you DID feel negatively about members here. Did I say you felt that way about all members? no, and in your response you even reinforced my point. And please stop talking down to me, Im not gonna take that, especially here. If youre looking for "LULZ," Im not sure the cynical approach will get that accomplished, but thats just me. maybe someone here thinks its funny any useful.

Skipper

30. 10-18-2007 05:29

I actually did explain it, but I see that no one caught on until I had to tone down and explain every little detail. Just read the post I made at 2007-10-17 22:14:35.

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"BTW my examples showed that you DID feel negatively about members here."

Wrong. You might be able to use very slippery, furtive wording and convince a few people that I do feel negatively about anyone, but this will be the second time I clear this up for you.

This is the "example" (singular, you only gave one) you gave as evidence for my "negative" feelings towards members here.

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"Some of you may not get your dignity back after that sincere and total ass kissing. I can still smell the essence of Mark Toorock's avaricious sphincter on your lips from the comfort of my chair. "

As you can see, I said SOME of YOU. I was referring to the members in THIS particular discussion, who had addressed ME. NOT the entire community. Do you not yet understand? I know this may be a very foreign concept to someone like you, but try using your head.

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And please stop talking down to me,

I'd like an example of that occurring once throughout this entire discussion.

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Im not gonna take that

ROFLMFAO!

KenDevilGod

31. 10-18-2007 05:34

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the thing is, when others who have the ability to do something sit back and do nothing (as you are saying we should when it comes to competition) then we are all affected by the actions of others who want to do their own thing but on a large scale. I can't recall many times in the world's history that any good has come of sitting back and doing nothing. If people disagree with what you think is best (and you are entitled to your opinion) then they are in turn entitled to their opinions, and to act upon them. That is why this conversation must exist.

from skipper..
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You have your site, we have ours. lets just continue on peacefully.

unfortunately, that's not how things work. On the internet, we can split up as much as we like, but outside our computers those divisions don't matter. regardless of what "online community" we believe ourselves to be a part of, we are still in the actual global community. And the thing is, when apk does things that people don't like (again, the opinions) those people cannot just lay back and watch things unfold.

that's why napk is up. that's why .Net has had such a large anti-competition movement. That's why there is going to be a constant argument and discussion in play here; because people who can do something are doing so.

ThePKoala

32. 10-18-2007 06:13

"I actually did explain it, but I see that no one caught on until I had to tone down"

NO, REALLY???

"As you can see, I said SOME of YOU. I was referring to the members in THIS particular discussion"

And thats my point, if you read my last post, you wouldnt be trying so hard to prove to me that you dont feel negatively about ALL the members. I said members, not all, but some. thats fine, but voice it elsewhere.

Ken, I dont care about you, nor do I care for how you are handling yourself. I say "im not going to take that," and you "roflmfao"..... what does that even mean? that i AM going to take that? Please dont laugh in my face, and please dont disrespect me, or anyone else on these forums. From what I can gather, you think youre a God among men when it comes to arguing about parkour on the internet, good for you, but it gets you nowhere if you cant argue your point in a civilized manner.

Ive said it once, ill say it again. CHILL THE FUCK OUT. Nobody benefits from your attitude, so cut it out on these forums. Now, read what I said a few posts ago. Im dropping the initial argument. I dont care about the actual topic at hand, but you have provided this thread with PAGES of pointless insult, disrespect, and childish bickering and I have had no choice but to try and clean up your trash talking. Just leave the topic as is unless you can talk like an adult... if not, then just go train.

Skipper

33. 10-18-2007 06:29

In my time on the internet, I have seen quite a few discussions and debates degenerate into flame wars. This is clearly degenerated into a flame war. Once a discussion has gone this route, there is no way anyone is going to change anyone else's mind, no more good points will be made, and it can only degenerate farther.

If anyone else posts after this, write your post, then leave the computer for a few minutes. Come back, and reread. Are you continuing the flame war, or are you making real, valid, intelligent and rational points not written out of anger and frustration?

Just a PSA from your friendly neighborhood internet geek.

happydud

34. 10-18-2007 06:58

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And thats my point, if you read my last post, you wouldnt be trying so hard to prove to me that you dont feel negatively about ALL the members.

Right.

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Ken, I dont care about you, nor do I care for how you are handling yourself. I say "im not going to take that," and you "roflmfao"..... what does that even mean? that i AM going to take that? Please dont laugh in my face, and please dont disrespect me, or anyone else on these forums.

Stop talking about what you will or won't take. You aren't going to do shit but sit there in your computer chair with a beat-red face while furiously slamming keys. Just stop mortifying yourself.

As for not caring about me or how I "handle myself" (nice coming from an internet tough guy), don't even try to play that game. If you didn't care about me or the way I act, you wouldn't be telling me to "chill the fuck out" nor would you continue bombarding me with arguments.

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Im dropping the initial argument.

Good.

KenDevilGod

35. 10-18-2007 07:08

Drop it ken, you're only hurting yourself now.

Mwah!

Skipper

36. 10-18-2007 09:31

Internet.

akh

37. 10-18-2007 10:34

I believe you are misinterpreting me .. I never told anyone (or wanted anyone) to do "nothing" ... I said do what you need to do to reach your desired outcome ... if that means being actively against competition, then do that. You make it sound like I am saying nobody should have stood against the Nazi's with your "history of the world" examples. I have made it very clear through many of my posts on APK that WHATEVER someone's stance, nothing is any good if they don't take action.

M2.

38. 10-18-2007 10:59

i suppose the main thing i was responding to was Quote

It seems simple to me, let people do things the way they want, and see if those people reach their desired outcomes

what i'm getting at is that for those of us who oppose what others are doing in the way of competition, it would not make sense at all to allow you (and others) to reach this "desired outcome".

ThePKoala

39. 10-18-2007 13:17

I suppose the question then, and not meaning this to sound as "tough" as it might ... can you stop us? I mean what could you do to stop me if I really want to make a competition? You could try convincing me of the evils ... you could picket and boycott events, you could try to convince others of why it is bad ... will those things effectively stop a group of capable and determined people? Or is there some other way to better affect the outcome that you want?
Did you "allow" Red Bull to have their competition (which I have many issues with but anyway) ...

M2.

40. 10-18-2007 15:25

Although i can hardly speak for anyone..

to be honest, i don't see why anything we (any anti-comp folk) do would stop you from creating a parkour/freerunning competition if you really desire to do so. However i feel that if enough action is taken we can minimize what you do to an acceptable point.

Some of the things you listed (as you obviously know) have been attempted, but little or no progress has been made. Now the way i see it, you can try as hard as you like to make a competition of parkour, but the people who are on the opposite end of the spectrum will try just as hard to prevent that. And even if you were to succeed, parkour would only be a competitive thing to those who don't truly understand it. If they did and parkour really meant something to them, they wouldn't accept something such as competition in the first place, knowing that it is inherently against the spirit of parkour.

ThePKoala

41. 10-19-2007 09:03

Why? Why couldn't they accept competition if it meant something to them. Parkour means a lot to me and I don't care if theres competition. I think it would be fun.

SatSantokh

42. 10-19-2007 19:37

It's not just meaning something to them. I feel that there has to be a certain level of, for lack of a better word, understanding(i'm fully aware that this sounds like elitist spew but i can't really express this idea properly, so just stick with me)

competition pushes you to do things you can't handle 100%. It creates a go big or go home mentality that has its place in x games sports, but not a discpline such as parkour. One of the biggest things in parkour is to be able to last a long time while maintaining and improving your ability to and beyond a high level. Part of it is also to progress incrementally, so that you can do things like look at a jump and instinctually know that you can do it. If you were in a competition, the size or height of the jump wouldn't matter to you, or even your ability to properly handle it; in a contest you have to pass it whatever the costs.

if you look at any competitive sport, there are far more injuries than should occur in parkour. Excluding freak accidents, you should never be seriously hurt if you train wisely in parkour. These injuries often come from focusing too much on the few key aspects of your sport, causing muscular imbalances, tendinitis, overuse injuries, etc. In parkour without competition, you simply rest if you are overtraining or experiencing discomfort. But with a competition, there are deadlines to meet, scheduled competitions to perform for; you can't just stop.

another thing about competitions is that you are often given a ranking or rating on some level. Maybe it will give someone confidence, or make them feel better. Well that's too bad, because through your training you should be able to naturally develop the confidence in yourself to trust your abilities, not rely on someone else's decision. In a competitive atmosphere you are constantly being compared, and you will judge yourself against others and decide that, based on how you stack up, that is how good you are. In competition, your level of skill is only relative to those around you. Instead, parkour is about improving yourself, so that relative to what you used to be, you are better, faster, and stronger.

these are just some of the thoughts i feel a traceur should have flashing through their mind when someone mentions competition. That is why i said what i did.

ThePKoala

43. 10-20-2007 00:23

wow. im new to this site and to parkour, and was dissapointed with all the arguments i just read. cant we all just get along?

people... lets forget our differences, forget the 'last word' mindset, and just hit the streets and get to it!

cycle2076

44. 10-20-2007 07:17

while this probably seems like a "last word",i don't think that there is a problem with discussion. While there was some arguing going on earlier in the thread (or whatever you call this) it was toned down by the end.

ThePKoala

45. 10-20-2007 09:50

There definitely isnt a problem with discussion, but it gets petty, very quickly. I said it before, ill say it again. Everyone just needs to leave this discussion. Everything thats needed to be said HAS been said already, no point in repeating.

I personally dont see any point in continuing, but if you all feel the need to keep on going at it, fine. just keep it clean.

Skipper

46. 10-20-2007 10:46

As my only post on this topic, I banned KenDevilGod for being a troll with an invalid email address to boot. Now that I've taken care of the only productive aspect of this discussion that I could find, I'm off to train!

gearsighted

47. 10-20-2007 11:07

I'm going to +1 karma you for that gear. Good job.

Kurokaze

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