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« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2008, 09:11:59 PM »

Survivor Man > Man Vs. Wild

Man Vs. Wild is faaaaaaake

Chris McCandless (Alexander Supertramp) screwed up in a big way. He was inexperienced and made bad decisions. FYI for anyone who has seen the movie, the plant is not likely to have killed him in real life, that was added into the movie to explain why it happened. It's more or less a complete mystery as to why he died out there the way he did. Still I prefer to look at his journey as an existential experience and he is somewhat of a hero to me in a way.
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« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2008, 10:24:19 PM »

hell yeah!  Cool survivorman! go canada!
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« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2008, 04:30:20 AM »

Cliffturn, my PM system is still down, has been ever since I got the account. Can you send it to me again at judogaru333@hotmail.com?

And, the speculation is that Chris didn't die because of a poisonous plant. He died because the plant he had in the bag, which was edible, had grown a deadly mold on it. That's only the speculation though.
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« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2008, 10:58:23 PM »

I teach outdoor living skills (it's only survival if it's not happening on purpose) to a lot of folks.  There's lots to learn!  if you can find an OLS instructor/ mentor in your area, that's your best bet.  Otherwise, read Tom Brown, Jr.  Wink

Here are some random appetizers, in the order which they fall outta my brain.

Some useful wild plants for y'all to look up:

Yarrow- the single most important plant I can imagine. Whole medicine cabinet in one little plant.
Mullein- great medicinal tea, awesome fire starter, stuns fish in calm water, best toilet paper by far.
Plantain- highly nutritious leaves and seed, grows everywhere.
Sorrel (or shamrock)- not bad nutritionally, but very sweet and sour, so it makes stuff taste good.
Basswood- big f-ing deciduous tree.  Inner bark makes strong cordage.  Natives in my area called it "string tree."
Cattail- even more uses than mullein, if you can believe that.
Sumac- Mmmmm, better than lemon aid!  Avoid the ones with white berries though, or you're gonna have a bad week.  That one's poisonous.
Jewelweed- Poison ivy? Mosquito's? Didn't notice. . .I've got my trusty jewelweed!
   
     You just can't learn enough about wild edible and medicinal plants.  Read a LOT.

Google methods to build a wiki-up and practice doing that.  Same with cattail mats.  Same with hardwood utensils.  Same with birch-bark containers.

You can google friction fire, but have someone show you or you'll more than likely just get frustrated.  I prefer the spindle method using a dried mullein stalk for the spindle and any hardwood for a fireboard, but you don't always get to choose!

If you look at a crescent moon at any stage, and draw an imaginary line from the top point to the bottom point and follow that imaginary strait line to the horizon, you have found south, roughly.  Sometimes very roughly!
In the northern hemisphere, shadows point north at noon.  Earlier they will lean northwest, and later they lean northeast.  Likewise, the sun is to the south at noon, to the southeast A.M. and to the southwest P.M.

If you are hiking through the Alaskan wilderness and you come upon an old bus in the middle of nowhere, turn around very slowly and go back whence you came.  If you hear Eddie Veder singing really loud, run!  And don't eat the moldy wild pea rhizomes.

Learn a lot about birds.  Much as you can.  They tell everything that's happening in a five mile radius.

Buy every book available from the Peterson's Field Guide series.  But, Silby's is the best bird book.

Start a daily weather journal, and include your observations.

Keep repeating that comfort is a luxury; not a necessity.

Never, never, never, NEVER leave your bedroom without a quality knife!
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« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2008, 01:27:58 AM »

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« Reply #25 on: May 14, 2008, 04:37:38 AM »

HAHA. That made me die laughing. Can I still meet up with the hippies on the slab?
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« Reply #26 on: May 14, 2008, 01:52:57 PM »

HAHA. That made me die laughing. Can I still meet up with the hippies on the slab?

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« Reply #27 on: May 14, 2008, 06:28:51 PM »

HAHA. That made me die laughing. Can I still meet up with the hippies on the slab?

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Says you, pfft.
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« Reply #28 on: May 15, 2008, 03:12:35 PM »

did anyone else here read "hatchet" as a kid, or see the [made for tv] movie?
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« Reply #29 on: May 15, 2008, 03:38:22 PM »

did anyone else here read "hatchet" as a kid, or see the [made for tv] movie?

I read all four of those books.
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« Reply #30 on: May 15, 2008, 06:55:51 PM »

did anyone else here read "hatchet" as a kid, or see the [made for tv] movie?

Great book, one of my favorites as a kid.

In regard to Bear grylls though, while he may be hardcore, his show certainly doesn't portray him that way.

"When going down these 'super huge sand dunes' its very dangerous and you can easily get hurt, you have to make sure you lean blah blah blah, OK! Lets go!" <bear begins his dune descent> followed by the camera guy and probably a boom operator, I mean cmon if a camera man can do what you're doing, but with a camera, it certainly can't be that hard.

Les Stroud would eat Bear Grylls to survive.
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« Reply #31 on: May 16, 2008, 10:54:19 AM »

blachawk - maybe it didn't matter how close town was, maybe that wasn't the point at all, maybe surviving wasn't the point but just actually getting out there and living by terms and conditions other than your own. Maybe if it's safe, if you have an escape plan, a way that will prevent you from dying out there, then it's not so real. Who knows what was going on in McCandless mind, but rather than some foolish kid, I would sooner think of him that he was a man who lived and died by his ideals.

maybe, who knows, i certainly don't. i don't know the actual circumstances, so i can't say either way. and maybe that was what he wanted, just to live by his own ideals, but it kind of just seems like they werent very well thought out, at least in terms of living. but i did like the movie.

To me it seemed like he was seeking complete freedom from the reliance on material things. Its as though material wealth and power brought him no joy and happiness and Alaska was the farthest he could get from that. Knowing there was a town right down the way probably would've ruined the sense of freedom and self-dependence he was searching for.

it could have been that way, but if you really wanted to just have freedom from material wealth and power i dont see why you would have to do anything but get rid of all your things and just live how you want to. although i can see why someone would want to go to alaska to escape society.

"Knowing there was a town right down the way probably would've ruined the sense of freedom and self-dependence he was searching for." makes me wonder if it did ruin it, would it be a true sense of freedom or just a fake one? not sure how to word this... just a (incomplete) thought

did anyone else here read "hatchet" as a kid, or see the [made for tv] movie?

i read the hatchet, really liked it, made me want to move to canada. saw the movie too, but thought the book was better just because it had more detail, like all books.
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« Reply #32 on: May 16, 2008, 04:16:51 PM »

I don't think it would be a 'fake' sense of freedom. People live in the world that they perceive, it is as real to them as anything. Some people choose to escape society in their backyard, and some opt for more desperate measures.
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« Reply #33 on: May 20, 2008, 06:37:41 PM »

Gustav:

Les Stroud would eat Bear Grylls to survive.

Me: Oh hell ya he would, les is totally awesome, i especially love the arctic one.
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« Reply #34 on: May 28, 2008, 11:00:30 PM »

BEAR GRYLLS DOES PK!?!?!?!

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lol i love man vs. wild. I had no idea he did pk.

unless he was just in jump london because he eats snakes. lol.
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« Reply #35 on: May 29, 2008, 06:56:58 PM »

I love all this "omg bear grylls stays in hotels wah wah" talk going around. Bear Grylls isn't in the Special Forces anymore because of a parachuting accident that broke 3 vertebrae. Three. Now I dunno about you, but most people don't walk away from 1. Not long after he climbed Everest.

Why so we have to argue over who is "more hardcore" on television. They both have quite entertaining segments on the same station and provide very useful information. Hotel or not, the man has jumped into freezing water on several occasions to show people how to live through it.
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« Reply #36 on: May 29, 2008, 07:28:23 PM »

Ya I'm sorry but I hate Bear Grylls, I flat out hate him. He has absolutely no respect for nature what so ever, people can argue all they want but when a grown man eats a living breathing snake on camera for no apparent reason other then shock value…..well that’s where you lose me completely.
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« Reply #37 on: May 29, 2008, 10:39:03 PM »

Ya I'm sorry but I hate Bear Grylls, I flat out hate him. He has absolutely no respect for nature what so ever, people can argue all they want but when a grown man eats a living breathing snake on camera for no apparent reason other then shock value…..well that’s where you lose me completely.

dude last time i watched man vs wild, he ate a snake, but he stressed that you shouldn't eat live animals unless its totally necessary, and he also showed you the most quick and painless way to kill it, prior to cooking and eating it.

So when did he eat a live snake?
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« Reply #38 on: May 30, 2008, 10:37:22 AM »

i propose a survivor-off, two men go into the wilderness, the first one to return loses.
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« Reply #39 on: May 31, 2008, 09:23:19 AM »

How did this turn into a TV show thread?
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