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« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2008, 11:57:05 AM » |
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I am in agreement with Ozzi and Adam with this one. I personally think that death is overrated (read John Donne's "Death Be Not Proud," and I think you'll understand where I'm coming from), and I believe that we should celebrate the life of those we have lost as opposed to mourning their death. I don't view a cemetery as "sacred ground," but I respect that most people need a place where they can mourn and contemplate the death of a loved one. At a cemetery, people can tune out the hustle and bustle of the world while sitting in a quiet solitude. This allows them to reflect on the life of those they have lost, and perhaps talk to them if they believe in that sort of thing. I agree with Robulus in that there are cultural boundaries that need to be observed even if you don't share them yourself.
Now, getting to the core of the problem. I think that most people are upset over this because of the immaturity that these kids displayed. Rather than trying to justify their actions in an eloquent way, they simply stated that there wasn't much else to do or that there weren't enough places to train. That's the thing that bothers me; not that they were vaulting over tombstones, but that they didn't even consider why they thought it was okay. Well, that's my two cents.
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« Reply #16 on: June 07, 2008, 05:25:28 PM » |
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I think the insults are not necessary, it doesnt make you look any better than them.
I didn't think much of them except that it was just my opinion, but I don't really insult people like that unless I'm profoundly influenced against them. In short, yeah, it doesn't look good for me, but it wasn't my aim in the message to make myself look good--just to make my point and get some understanding from them. At any rate, I did receive a reply from them. I'm going to take a little time to wait and think out a proper and respectful response, as I see their point of view. If you guys would like to read: we accept that you are offended a lot but there are somethings that the papers didn't explain such as WE HAVEN'T BEEN BACK THERE FOR 3 MONTHS SINCE THE VID CAME OUT BECAUSE WE WERE TOLD NOT TO AND REALISED PEOPLE WERE OFFENDED BY US GOING ON 300 YEAR OLD GRAVES, NO NEW ONES. you might think that that is just an excuse to cover our backs and that it is still disresectful, we know it is, and we have grown up since then and realised the error of our ways (before the paper came out). we now train in our village park and sometimes in exeter and when the papers came out it was old news that no one who i know cares about! it's just people like you who are afraid that we will give parkour a bad name because of a stupid newspaper report about us that they were saving for a day when there was no news that would interest people. and you're calling us poseurs, we put the vids up to show our friends at school so we are not arrogant twats as you may think we are, and you don't have to insult someone to get a point across, we already know there are angry people out there who probably want to kick us all to death, but that is what newspapers do: make people people angry at each other even if they don't know them for who they really are. we don't want to become "real traceurs" we just want to have fun so leave us alone and mind your own buisness.
we have taken your point and we know your pissed off so we are sorry for being such pricks in your eyes. Me, I'm not going to insult them or criticize them in my response -- I think they definitely got the message from the media about it. You guys think they're justified now that they have 'grown up since then'? I do. |
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AdamMcC [Feng]
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« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2008, 12:02:22 AM » |
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They seem perfectly mature to me, and they are a hundred percent correct and, in my opinion, overly humble about it. I sensed from the report, it's really just an excuse for over-societized old men and woman to vent their frustration at our unorthodox ways of thinking, moving, and living. The fact that the newspaper and media industry latched onto it is proof.
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« Reply #18 on: June 08, 2008, 05:40:13 AM » |
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Meh the people in graves are just dead. Nothing wrong with it. You can step on Native's Burial Grounds but not on ours? I just didn't really like the video because there wasn't really any parkour or freerunning in it.  |
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« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2008, 09:50:17 AM » |
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You forget the fact that grave stones cost over thousands of dollars. And that they hard enough to keep intact over the years without people jumping on them.
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« Reply #20 on: June 08, 2008, 10:21:17 AM » |
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People pay thousands of dollars to bury their dead in a hole in the ground with some nice velvet lining. I can understand their frustration when young people jump all over it. The morality of the situation, I think, is irrelevant. They don't want you on there, don't go on there.
My two billion dollar tombstone would have spikes and razorblades soaked in alcohol. It would read: Here lies Carwin, can you kong it?
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« Reply #21 on: June 08, 2008, 10:59:43 AM » |
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I could kong it....right into my own grave.. Cremation all the way. |
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« Reply #22 on: June 09, 2008, 03:00:07 AM » |
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My two billion dollar tombstone would have spikes and razorblades soaked in alcohol.
At least I won't get infected, thanks mate. |
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« Reply #23 on: June 09, 2008, 02:54:38 PM » |
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I wanna give my opinion on this disregarding PK but tombstones in general, and I will hoping I wont get hated for this.
Not to long ago I told my wife -when I die, I want to be cremated and thrown in the ocean or from the top of a mountain-. -Why?- she asked out of curiosity more than amazement. To which I responded -Because I dont want people to go to a stone on the ground and cry for my ass. I am not there, it is all dirt, bones and maybe a few maggots. I am having fun in another plane of this universe, be happy that I evolved to another dimension-
My point, well ok yes, we leave in a world where religions lead this world, sad but true. I give all my respects to all of you who follow a religion and it is not my intend to offend anyone, this is just me speaking my mind and respecting everyone else for their opinion. I am just in my full right to give mine without fighting anyone else's believe, I just follow the path of the Acai and you know all that.
So in my opinion this kids are just not smart enough to realize some people may get offended, they are innocent kids who aside the fact that they take drops that obviously are not ready for just wanted a place to train. Grave yards (in my opinion) are places were people store bodies, it is to my understanding that in the past people started doing that to avoid deceases, with time then they had a place to go back and morn for them if they wanted to. It is us who due to what is taught to us put this big meaning in stones on the ground were bones and dead bodies are store.
This bodies also make our history for the future generations, that I do defend, so if this kids damage this tombstones then I do think it is messed up, history is all we are and it is the one and only thing we can leave when we die.
I dont expect for anyone to agree and wont argue it as this is not something to really argue about it is just my point of view and opinion. After all we are all different and that is what makes us unique. Now I am going to light up a candle so more rain can fall in my dear acai berry seeds in south America. Love ya all.
I'm kind of there with you Ozzi. I've even passed by a graveyard or two and gone "Hmmmm...." Problem is, although they are a bunch of stones to some, they have a profound meaning to others, particularly living family members, and are seen as the final resting place. It's these people we have to respect. (not to mention if they're right, then we are disturbing people who'll be waiting for us on the other side... SPOOKY). And you are right, these kids simply weren't taught the basics of respect. I HOPE their community doesn't see this as something PK advocates. Regardless of how a person's views may differ from ours, they still must be respected. This is a world we all must share. There are plenty of places to do PK. Graveyards and places of worship, hmmm... If we can't respect those, at least do it for the PK community. Let's keep negative press abay. PEACE! |
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« Reply #24 on: June 09, 2008, 02:56:57 PM » |
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Amen!
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« Reply #25 on: June 09, 2008, 03:21:23 PM » |
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+1 for David!
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« Reply #26 on: June 09, 2008, 07:20:28 PM » |
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Exactly. Our goal is to adapt. We can keep our beliefs and desire for a perfect efficient path, but certain obstacles disallow us from a perfect path, and we must adapt ourselves to the environment. In this case, society's need for graveyards is an obstacle, and it is up to us to change ourselves, and not disturb the environment that supports us, just as we should not knock down the wall because it is in our way, but shape ourselves to overcome it without disturbing it.
But that doesn't mean we can't still talk about it, and discuss the most efficient path, and what we wish the world was like.
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« Reply #27 on: June 11, 2008, 10:44:48 AM » |
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I liked the kids response from the youtube message. Show's they have matured. Props to them.
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