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« Reply #135 on: June 04, 2008, 08:52:36 AM » |
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taco...i posted in the COPK thread but i am not sure if you checked it.
bring your son to COPK, we have some younger traceurs and as I said in that thread, we have one of our most dedicated who is only 10 years old
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« Reply #136 on: June 05, 2008, 06:38:46 AM » |
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Thanks Chris, I did see your note in COPK thread and I am looking forward to going to my first big Jam and meeting a lot of you guys in person.
Cpt Glass how are your GTG pullups coming? Incidentally, my office just moved down the street a block and the place I used to do my pullups for GTG is now not so convenient so I am switching to tabatas for now. Our new office has a gianormous break room so I am going to see if I can install a pullup bar there. The ceiling is high enough I think I will even be able to practice muscle ups. Next week I doing my fitness test again and I hoping I will be able to hit 15.
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« Reply #137 on: June 05, 2008, 07:18:28 AM » |
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15 muscle-ups??? That's crazy!!! Hahaha... I haven't done a single one yet, though I admit I haven't tried I figure I could do them by kipping, but I want to try to build up strength to do a deadweight muscle-up. Maybe I'll try with kipping this weekend. I am doing a slightly modified GTG, if you will. I'm doing 3 sets of pull-ups/chin-ups every day. 1 day pull-ups, 1 day chin-ups I started doing this cause I wanted to take it easy on my shoulder. I used to do 5 sets every other day, but I figure that would be too rough still, and I really want to make a quick and fully recovery. I don't even know how many pull-ups I can do with kipping, I don't even have the right kipping technique yet, although i came pretty close this weekend. Next week I have my follow-up visit with the doctor. If he looks at my shoulder and knee, and finds everything OK, I'll resume my normal training, and get back to vaulting, which I haven't done in a month  |
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« Reply #138 on: June 05, 2008, 04:06:06 PM » |
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David, 15 ... pullups. My long term goal is to be able to do 10 muscles ups, but this year I just want to get to doing 2-3.
I didn't have very much time today, so I just threw in a workout on my 3 or so mile bike ride from the train station to my house:
Warmup: slow bike a couple minutes
Workout: 10 minutes hard bike at/near lacate threshold (almost all uphill)
Cooldown: slow ride
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« Reply #139 on: June 06, 2008, 06:32:35 AM » |
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I repeated my bike workout from yesterday just for fun and excitement.
Warmup: slow bike a couple minutes
Workout: 7.5 minutes hard bike at/near lacate threshold (almost all uphill)
Cooldown: slow ride
Evening workout:
Warmup: various dynamic stretching and arm movements
Workout:
Pullup tabata: 4-4-4-3-2-2-3-2
Man, I do not know what is up with my pullups, they feel so weak, I was having a really hard time with them from the first set and the pullups in the last set probably shouldn't be counted as real pullups. I missed a few days of working out a week or so ago, but I don't think my fitness would degrade that much.
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« Reply #140 on: June 06, 2008, 02:04:05 PM » |
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Do you kip when doing pull ups?
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« Reply #141 on: June 07, 2008, 11:18:23 AM » |
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Do you kip when doing pull ups?
I kip on an as needed basis. General I don't really, but if it gets hard I do. |
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« Reply #142 on: June 09, 2008, 09:00:30 PM » |
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Morning workout: Road bike to work 26 miles in 1:24:02 (avg speed 18.5)
Cooldown: 10 minutes of stretching
Evening workout:
5 rounds of 5 pullups and 10 pushups. I did this casually as I was just doing them as I pushed my kids in the swing. My pullups felt pretty good. Maybe I have just been tired.
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« Reply #143 on: June 09, 2008, 09:17:51 PM » |
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Do you kip when doing pull ups?
I kip on an as needed basis. General I don't really, but if it gets hard I do. why don't you kip? |
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« Reply #144 on: June 10, 2008, 07:17:34 AM » |
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why don't you kip?
Mostly because it is harder to do without kipping and when I am not tired I can kip hard enough so that my arms feel that they are hardly doing anything (though I know they are, because when my arms are tired even with a massive kip I can't do anymore pullups) Though the more I think about it, I always kip at least a little because if I don't engage my stomach muscles and bring my legs up a little it strains my back. |
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« Reply #146 on: June 10, 2008, 08:59:39 AM » |
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You may find this interesting. One of the short answers is written by our very own gearsighted, Jessy Woody. 2.14. What's with the kipping pullups? Isn't it "cheating?"
There are a TON of discussions about this on the boards. Try searching for kipping and kipping pull-up via the search function. There is also an entire Crossfit journal dedicated to the kipping pullup. "if you'll read this thread on the kipping pull-up I think you'll come to see the move in a different light. It's a long read (10 pages or so) but well worth the effort. I've never seen more thoughtful or complete analysis on the movement anywhere:
NOTE:Greg's famous quote, "We do your stuff nearly as well as you do, you can't do ours very well at all, and we do everything that we both don't do much better than you can. Not very humble, I know, but true." first appeared in that thread, Here.
"Short version: Kipping allows more work to be done in less time, thus increasing power output. It is also a full-body coordination movement when performed correctly, which applies more functionally to real-life application of pulling skills. Last, but not least, the hip motion of an effective kip mirrors the motion of the olympic lifts/kettlebell swings, adding to it's function as a posterior-chain developer."
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« Reply #147 on: June 10, 2008, 09:41:59 AM » |
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I've always done deadlift pullups, so you'll find it interesting that I actually advocate kipping.
In real situations, you won't do a deadlift pullup, you'll want to leverage everything you can do get up faster and safer.
I am gradually getting into kipping. Still haven't figured out the movement yet, but when I do, I'll combine both
BTW, muscle-ups come quicker with kipping (I've been told)
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« Reply #148 on: June 10, 2008, 09:51:55 AM » |
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BTW, muscle-ups come quicker with kipping (I've been told)
Very true, but even then some people are not easily swayed into learning how to kip  If you don't know how to properly kip by the time COPK comes around, come see me when u swing through. I will be able to teach u in 15 minutes. |
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« Reply #149 on: June 10, 2008, 03:46:13 PM » |
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Thanks for all the feedback everyone! +1 for all! I can definetly see the advantages of kipping as a full body workout and in a practical sense if I really wanted to get up something I would kip or do whatever I needed. I read the crossfit article and added some details of kipping I didn't think about before. Typically when I kip I don't swing back at all, I bring my knees up forcibly from a dead hang and then once they have upward momentum I pull with my arms so that I pulling mostly just my upper body up. Sometimes I do what I've always called a double kip where once my legs lose their upward momentum I kick down and forward and that kick helps me rotate up to the bar. I will have to experiment with my kip try to get some horizontal movement converted into upward movement.
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