DefyGravity
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« on: November 13, 2007, 08:21:34 PM » |
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I am fairly new to parkour (totaling a few months). I find myself lately asking if I should be attempting certain obstacles. Like tonight I konged a picnic table. I went from doing objects like small walls and rails to a picnic table. Is that wise? I mean, I did do it and few more times afterwards as well. Also for instance I see a 12-15ft wall and wonder if I have the ability to scale it. Because I can wall climb around a 9-10ft wall. Should I attempt the 12-15ft wall climb? Just to let everyone know I tried and didnt make it, I was about 1.5-2ft short. It was stupid because it was a fairly decent fall. But my question is: How does one know the limits of what they can do if they have not attempted them? Like I wasnt sure if I kong a picnic table, but I thought I had a good chance and successfuly did it. Thankyou.
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PaT13
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« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2007, 11:31:40 PM » |
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Well good on you for konging the table... yeah..I to, have only been doing parkour for a few months..its fun  , anyway........ when I started I couldn't kong this small pinic table. I found out by just running up to it and going narrr,some other day.......anyway a couple of weeks ago I tryed to kong the table, and I did....Because, for some reason the table looked "smaller"... I think a small part was due to training, but I reckon most of it was just removing a mental barrier that stood in my way... When attempting moves that you think might just be over your limits...dont be "fully" commited to the technique your about to perform, so "if" you do bail you can land on your feet  ....
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Alex Green
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« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2007, 02:13:58 AM » |
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Good words, Pat. I do have a problem with your last suggestion, however. When attempting moves that you think might just be over your limits...dont be "fully" commited to the technique your about to perform, so "if" you do bail you can land on your feet  .... I would argue that fully committing to all maneuvers is completely necessary for a successful performance. If you're not sure you can do something, don't do it. Plain and simple. Another way to say that would be if you're not ready to fully commit to doing something, don't do it. I find myself in a lot stickier situations (closer to injury) when I don't fully commit to a maneuver. It really upsets me when I make the mental mistake of hesitating at the last second or during the movement -- not only because it implies that I'm not fully aware of what I'm doing, but also because it implies that I'm not completely in control of what I'm doing. The reason slow, steady progression is so necessary in parkour is so you can really know and define your limits, and then ever so slowly push past them and move on to the next level. If you're not sure where your limits are, I would urge you to take a step back and really examine your movement. Go back to smaller obstacles for a while and get 100% comfortable with the basic techniques and then slowly push yourself further. The one sure way to mentally define your limits to yourself is to have a slow, steady progression. This way you'll approach your limits slowly enough that you'll be able to push past them with relative comfort, confidence in your movement and a full commitment to those movements.
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« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2007, 03:31:01 AM » |
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You "listen to you body" IT will always tell you what you can and cant do and how to do it properly.
This doesn't mean go up to it and if your not nervous do it. What this does mean is when your practicing your vaults and jumps ALWAYS listen to what your body is telling you. When you on the ground or in the air. By doing this you will perfect your skills and learn more of what your body is able to do. When you see something you should know right off if your able to do it or not. Its that simple... but it comes with time keep it small and at ground level tell then and even for a good wile after.
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DefyGravity
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« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2007, 12:14:00 PM » |
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If you're not sure where your limits are, I would urge you to take a step back and really examine your movement. Go back to smaller obstacles for a while and get 100% comfortable with the basic techniques and then slowly push yourself further.
That's exactly what I need to do. All to often I think that many new practioners of parkour feel if they complete a move a couple times that they should go bigger. (I know I've had that feeling as well). But yeah, I need to make sure I can do something 100% and then slowly progess. thanks.
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« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2007, 06:46:59 PM » |
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Good words, Pat. I do have a problem with your last suggestion, however. When attempting moves that you think might just be over your limits...dont be "fully" commited to the technique your about to perform, so "if" you do bail you can land on your feet  .... I would argue that fully committing to all maneuvers is completely necessary for a successful performance. If you're not sure you can do something, don't do it. Plain and simple. Another way to say that would be if you're not ready to fully commit to doing something, don't do it. I find myself in a lot stickier situations (closer to injury) when I don't fully commit to a maneuver. It really upsets me when I make the mental mistake of hesitating at the last second or during the movement -- not only because it implies that I'm not fully aware of what I'm doing, but also because it implies that I'm not completely in control of what I'm doing. The reason slow, steady progression is so necessary in parkour is so you can really know and define your limits, and then ever so slowly push past them and move on to the next level. If you're not sure where your limits are, I would urge you to take a step back and really examine your movement. Go back to smaller obstacles for a while and get 100% comfortable with the basic techniques and then slowly push yourself further. The one sure way to mentally define your limits to yourself is to have a slow, steady progression. This way you'll approach your limits slowly enough that you'll be able to push past them with relative comfort, confidence in your movement and a full commitment to those movements. Ok, there is a difference in fully committing to a move and being able to bail out of it. Just because you commit to something doesn't mean you will make it either :-). Generally what needs to go through your mind when your "pushing your limits" especially as a new person is 1) If I do not complete the action, what are the consequences? 2) Is there a safer way to complete the same action? (Instead of doing a kong to cat with a 20 foot drop, do one from a table to a small planter) 3) What is my body/fear telling me? Personally, I am always trying to top out taller walls. See if you can find a taller wall with a grass footing so repeated drilling will not be to deathly on your knees. But, topping out walls is fairly low impact (relatively).
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« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2007, 07:47:06 PM » |
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Ok, there is a difference in fully committing to a move and being able to bail out of it. Just because you commit to something doesn't mean you will make it either :-).
I understand what you're saying, and even though we may have different ways of thinking about it and putting it into words, I think we share very similar viewpoints. I am by no means suggesting that one should fully commit to doing something just because a full commitment is necessary in parkour. I'm sorry if it came out this way. I wouldn't want someone to fully commit to doing something that they weren't 100% sure they could do. I am suggesting that a full commitment is necessary in parkour assuming the 100% confidence is present as well. If the confidence factor isn't there, you just plain shouldn't do the maneuver.
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« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2007, 10:01:30 PM » |
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I probably worded the last part wrong... Stay commited to the technique your performing but acknowledge what can go wrong, and have an idea of what you can do if something does go wrong and you bail............ may I ask......What the HELL! is that!!>>>>>  .....lol
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« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2007, 03:55:33 PM » |
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I know where y'all are coming from, and I agree :-).
Just think actions through completely. Sit back, visualize it in your mind (This does work, try it out). Then be ready for the worst and hope for the best.
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« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2007, 06:59:23 PM » |
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My advice is to just stick to the simpler things for now. I've been training for awhile and I don't even do many 9 - 10 ft walls because I can still get faster with my 6 - 7 ft walls. There are certain things you will know you can do and somethings that will be questionable. Practice what you are trying to do before you do it (ex. when trying a bigger precision, jump off to the side and see if you would make it far enough.). There will be times when you do fail though so be ready for that. Let yourself slowly progress instead of trying to become really great really fast.
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« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2007, 04:09:40 AM » |
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Just think actions through completely. Sit back, visualize it in your mind (This does work, try it out). Then be ready for the worst and hope for the best.
One Major flaw I see in this is that you can push your self and hope for the best but still Die. Its bad advice. Find a way to drill it at ground or near ground level mark out the distance in the grass and etc. But don't just think and zen out then do it and hope you make it. Like I said before AND as stated by David Belle. You don't mesaure the jump as much as feel the jump. You just look at it and know you can do it. Its getting yourself to do it some times thats hard.
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« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2007, 01:10:38 PM » |
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I always find myself progressing in 2 phases. Phase 1 is catching my physical ability up to my mental ability, filling in all the gaps in what i known i can do and doing away with all of the unnecessary fear. Once your physical ability matches your mental ability, your old goals become your new standards, and your mind will use those new standards as a guide for what you can accomplish.
Thats just how it seems to work with me, hope that helps.
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« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2007, 07:20:14 AM » |
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You have to trust completely in your own abilities. And you progressed from konging walls to konging picnic table. You have to use that same mentality when doing wall runs start on the lower walls and find more walls that are in between the 15 foot wall and the 10 foot wall and keep progressing. Remember you have to have the mind set and the physical practice to accomplish tasks in parkour and freerunning.
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« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2007, 07:05:26 PM » |
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Just think actions through completely. Sit back, visualize it in your mind (This does work, try it out). Then be ready for the worst and hope for the best.
One Major flaw I see in this is that you can push your self and hope for the best but still Die. Its bad advice. Find a way to drill it at ground or near ground level mark out the distance in the grass and etc. But don't just think and zen out then do it and hope you make it. Like I said before AND as stated by David Belle. You don't mesaure the jump as much as feel the jump. You just look at it and know you can do it. Its getting yourself to do it some times thats hard. I think you misunderstood my type, I mean and trying to say when planning for the worst, think about what can happen. Ok, now you know what can happen if you fail, Does it involve you dieing? If so, find a different place to do the same thing, If it doesn't involve death as a probably outcome, hope (hope is a really loose word for what I am trying to describe) for the best. That make sense? When I am saying hope, I am not meaning get lucky.
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