no ? if you go to the bus, notice youre late, and dont walk around the wall but do ONE speedvault, and then you have reached the bus, its NOT parkour then ?

I thought this would start an uproar of discussions.  I just think that people should think about this.  Can you truly teach what parkour is by trying to explain it to them by defined movements.  I think that in this case the Video should be called something else.  I think that this should some how be labeled (since it is going to be the first of what I explained) Parkour Training DVD.  I know that the people here like to use that word "training" so I think that this might solve a problem of what exactly is going on with this DVD.

I guess this is touching into the realm of what someone else posted here about "Its it possible to capture Parkour on Video?"  I will not sure my views on this but I feel that it is in the same line.  I feel that there should just be a line drawn around what exactly this DVD is doing.  I also liken this unto Urban Free Flow when they put up their tutorials page.  They had some obviously non-100% efficient movements.  Yes they were studying under the Freestyle umbrella.  There was a big problem with what people were saying was PARKOUR.  I feel that is the DVD is explained correctly before it is release that it might help some understanding of what TRIBE is trying to show instead of getting flamed.

Tribe has not shown us directly what they represent but we all assume that they will try to represent Parkour in its fullest.  I know that in Dispersion a DVD released by APK with the clan from VA-Parkour, they did Parkour and flips.  This is just something I don't want to go wrong with this New tutorial DVD, try to represent what True Parkour is all about. (The mindset, the philosophy)

On Another note- I would have to Agree with Andi.  You had a goal in mind...to save yourself (a walk) and you use your parkour mindset of overcoming physical obstacles to accomplish your goal.  I would call it Parkour.   Although True Demon; there is a reason why we always say obstacle(s)
         Also a way that the comment was used "A speed vault is not Parkour" can go further.  It is the fact that Parkour is a mindset...with a goal behind it.  A discipline, a philosophy not a certain movement.  That would be confining it....WHICH is what I was trying to represent with this whole post.

i think what he meant was that no single movement is parkour. as in, if you are just doing a speed vault to be doing one, it is not parkour. there are certain places where a speed vault would not be the best movement. the point of him saying that was that people are focusing too much on the movements instead of the actual journey. i'm sure you would agree, that if someone is just speed vaulting a rail back and forth because they think it looks cool, it would not be parkour.

EDIT: @MLW-

va-parkour doesn't have a clan. i don't think there are any clans in the VA/DC/MD area. hopefully it will stay that way.

I think there are two things going on in this thread, and they are common problems in our little microcosm

MLW:

OK, the "Problem" here is that THERE IS NO PROBLEM.

Personally, I don't give a shit what other people in the community think we should call it and EXACTLY how it should be worded. As I said in my first post about this (note the message hasn't changed here) This DVD is for the beginners to learn some of the basic movements that will later help them as they learn Parkour. The other thing I said is we're not going to even try to please everyone.


Now, the other thing going on is the whole "what is parkour and can it be defined by movement".
I've said for a while now that I will write an essay on "The progression of learning Parkour" ... and this is a good time for it, maybe I'll do it next week on my vacation.

The "problem" here is that people (including Andi) can very easily use both sides of the same argument when it is convenient.
I can say "one move isn't parkour" and be right (because of the circumstances, etc)
I can say "one move isn't parkour" and be wrong (because of the circumstances, etc)

This same thing can be used with flips and ANY other movement, shape, physical effort that the human body can make.

So, the real "problem" to me here is that people like adversity. We like to have something to argue about, we like to have something that gets us fired up, and this is what makes us great, it is part of what being social and inquisitive creatures is all about.

As for the "Can one move be parkour" argument, I'd like to say for beginners, telling them that is too confusing, it is better for them to grasp the concept by thinking of more than one movement, so that they get the concept of "urgency" even between movements. Because I believe that Parkour is a concept and not a description of a physical activity.
However then, once someone has a grasp of the concept, I believe you can talk about single moves, flips, whatever else and have a reasonable discussion.
The IMPORTANT part to me is NOT to CONFUSE people who are new to Parkour.
Me, American Parkour, the mods, we're not here to try to educate people who know what Parkour is, they don't need it. We're hear to help new people understand it.
The DVD is not meant to teach people "What is Parkour", it is meant to teach people basic movements that will be useful to them once they learn Parkour.

Yeah, Dispersion was done as a Merry Men/VA Parkour production...no affiliation to APK or Tribe....



Isn't parkour action? Since actions are stronger than word/mind?
In this sense, the "fundemental/tutorial" DVD makes sense.  It is a culminating effort between "The Tribe" to offer the visual and analytical breakdowns (in their words at least) of the "common" "moves" or parkour.  Yes, it is true that you really can't learn something until you try it and until it becomes clear to you(I remember, that I couldn't get a kong for the longest time no matter how many videos and tutorials I read), but it does help.  You are able to get so much inspiration and help from even WATCHING something.  Personally, I can't learn anything new unless I watch it happen and work it out in my head(like tricking)....  On the same note, isn't UFF releasing a "tutorial" video too? whats happening with that?

Again, MISSING THE POINT.

You'd like to be safe? Wear a helmet

What if we do? What if we don't?

What will be the outcome for the new people who buy the DVD? That is the important answer in my mind, not "what this community FEELS should be the perfect wording and everything that needs to be said in EXACTLY a certain way".

There is a very clear description of "What Parkour Is" on this site for example. Could it be better? YES! Of course! Could it be worse? sure. There is a very clear definition on PAWA ... could it be better? YES!

There is no "One size fits all" solution for things. things almost always need supporting information and context to be properly conveyed and understood.

So, everyone is welcome to buy a copy of the DVD when it comes out and do a full critique, either word for word, sentence by sentence, or however they choose, but it won't change the product, and it won't chenge the product's effectiveness in helping new people understand some of the basic movements that are useful in Parkour.

Excellent! And thanks for the luck, although I hope we won't need it!
I suppose it should also be mentioned that the people buying the DVD will have gotten word of it through the site and hopefully will take the time before or after to explore the "What is..." and "What isn't..." sections along with philosophy!

Wow...I expeted more...upriseing then acheivement...I just might make it after all *throws up hat -marry tyler more style-*