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« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2007, 08:21:27 PM » |
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Just a note:
Yoga Journal re-did their site. I checked the links in my article and they all redirect, but some of them take a long time. If you're having trouble or if the links aren't working, let me know either here or in PM and I'll try to fix them and post the fixes here.
Just an FYI.
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« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2007, 12:15:58 PM » |
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Excellent, very helpful. Thanks for putting this together. 
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« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2007, 07:40:50 AM » |
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Awesome stuff Muse...funny that I finally get around to reading this immediately after posting Zeus' stretching article...is there a common thread of thought here...a few people with lagging flexibility? If you don't mind, I'll try to add this along the same lines to the main page. Excellent job as usual!
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« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2007, 06:59:45 PM » |
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I am having some problems with stretching, I never stretched much as a kid, but I already know that just makes it that much harder to get flexible. But after stretching for three months, I have barely got any more flexible. So since it is hard for me to get flexible in the first place, should I be stretching twice as hard to get flexible, or what? Like should I do deeper stretching, so that I trully feel a good stretch?
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« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2007, 09:59:05 PM » |
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When you say "stretching for three months," do you mean daily? Weekly?
If you are stretching after you are fully warm (and I mean *fully*, like at the END of a full workout), and are doing so daily or at least every-other day, AND are "relaxing into" each stretch for at least 30 seconds to a minute, you will get more flexible. The keys are warmth, consistency, and relaxing.
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« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2007, 10:01:02 PM » |
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Awesome stuff Muse...funny that I finally get around to reading this immediately after posting Zeus' stretching article...is there a common thread of thought here...a few people with lagging flexibility? If you don't mind, I'll try to add this along the same lines to the main page. Excellent job as usual!
Sorry, gear, for taking so long to respond to this. I think my cookies were goofy on my computer or something. Thank you very much for the feedback. It means a lot.  Feel free to add/delete/modify whatever as you see fit. I appreciate your willingness to do so. Happy to help out any way I can.
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« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2007, 10:29:01 PM » |
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I'm aware (both previously, and after reading this thread) that stretching before warming up isn't a great idea, but what about when you're not going to be doing anything physical? Examples, stretching before and after bed, and at various times throughout the day. If I'm stretching for the sake of stretching without warming up before, would this be counter-productive? Dangerous?
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« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2007, 01:34:03 AM » |
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I'm aware (both previously, and after reading this thread) that stretching before warming up isn't a great idea, but what about when you're not going to be doing anything physical? Examples, stretching before and after bed, and at various times throughout the day. If I'm stretching for the sake of stretching without warming up before, would this be counter-productive? Dangerous?
Go for it. If you want good/best results for flexibility, you need to stretch 3-5x a day.  Mostly obviously when you're not working out. Also, it's mainly passive or excessive amounts of dynamic stretching that shouldn't be done before workouts. Doing some dynamic like leg swings, rotating the arms.. really anything to warm up the muscles without jerking them to their range of motion or holding them stretched will work.
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« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2007, 09:07:39 AM » |
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I'm aware (both previously, and after reading this thread) that stretching before warming up isn't a great idea, but what about when you're not going to be doing anything physical? Examples, stretching before and after bed, and at various times throughout the day. If I'm stretching for the sake of stretching without warming up before, would this be counter-productive? Dangerous?
What Steve said. And to clarify: you should still warm up before "stretching for the sake of stretching." Anything to raise the body temperature a degree will do: jumping rope, jogging in place, jumping jacks, squats & pushups. This makes the muscles more supple; a warmup should only take 5-10 minutes at most. I would also recommend stretching with warm clothes on (e.g. sweats or a jogging suit as opposed to shorts & a t-shirt), and in a warm room, especially if you're doing static stretching. Occasionally, say if you've been sitting for a long time, your body will "nudge" you to stretch. Getting up and stretching the body parts that are asking for it, without warming up first, is no big deal; kind of like a dog or cat stretching after a nap. However if you're preparing to do "a stretching routine" for the purposes of developing flexibility, you should warm up first. I'm currently working on a follow-up article that should clarify some of these details. Happy stretching!
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« Reply #25 on: November 23, 2007, 12:08:56 PM » |
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Very helpful, both of you.
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« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2007, 08:21:02 AM » |
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Can't static passive stretching be done cold or warmed up? I have been doing cold stretching at night for about a year now and I have not harmed my muscles, only made my splits better and what not. I agree that dynamic stretching and THEN static stretching is great for gaining flexibility, but I don't see cold stretching affecting anyone.
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« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2007, 05:44:30 PM » |
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Yes and no. The thing is, your muscles are more supple when they are warm and therefore you get the most benefit out of stretching warm (no matter which kind of stretching you do). Also, you are more prone to injury when stretching cold. Being more prone to injury does not guarantee that you will get injured; as a result I know plenty of people (myself included) who static passive stretch cold and do just fine. It's a matter of knowing your limits and knowing how to feel and understand your body. Typically I get a better stretch when I'm warm, though, so to me it makes more sense to stretch warm. Why do a thing if it's not going to be done as close to the ideal as possible?  Since most people don't know how to stretch properly, I'm giving advice on ideal conditions for stretching as a starting point. You say that you "don't see cold stretching affecting anyone." I assume you're speaking from experience here--as some kind of trainer or coach? It sounds like you observe people cold stretching a lot and have information to add. If that's the case, awesome! I'm always looking to expand my knowledge--especially since I'm not officially a personal trainer or anything like that. I'm just someone with a lot of personal experience with movement and flexibility training in a general sense. So if you have other evidence to support cold stretching, let me know. I'd be interested in reading up on it.
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« Reply #28 on: December 19, 2007, 06:26:07 PM » |
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You guys describe stretching as pleasant, I’ve never heard that before, for me its quite painful. I never heard anyone complain so i figured it hurt for everyone. Does this happen with some people and not others?
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« Reply #29 on: December 19, 2007, 07:17:34 PM » |
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It depends on one of two things:
1. your level of flexibility 2. your technique
It could be a combination of both. It depends a lot on what you mean by "painful." Is it a sharp sudden pain? Dull pain? A general "uncomfortableness" in the muscles? Tightness? Or is the pain more in the joints? Does the pain go away as you sit in the stretch, or does it get worse? If you are incorrectly holding a position you may feel pain in certain areas as things get yanked on. If you are simply inflexible you may be pushing too hard.
The key is to relax, and to stretch daily, with proper alignment.
Most people feel that "something is happening" in the muscles they're stretching, and it may be a bit uncomfortable, but after a few seconds it should be pleasant. I tend to feel very refreshed after a full stretching session, and in fact feel out-of-sorts if I can't get a good stretch in before or after a ballet class. At the COPK jam I led a handful of guys through a general stretching session at the end of the day. Most of these were guys who didn't stretch regularly and they were a bit uncomfortable for a while but afterwards they said they felt really good, and they all noticed a difference the next day: they were among the few who weren't sore for the next day's jammage!
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