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« Reply #30 on: April 01, 2007, 09:21:57 PM » |
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i really agree with trip here. on espn it would definately go under freerunning and the effiency roots would be ignored. thats all my thoughts on that.
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« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2007, 06:38:59 PM » |
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I reall wonder what professional freerunning would look like. would they have a set of obstacles or like an obstacle course  |
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« Reply #32 on: April 14, 2007, 10:05:20 PM » |
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I reall wonder what professional freerunning would look like. would they have a set of obstacles or like an obstacle course I sure hope there isn't such a thing, I hope this sport never turns into a competitive sport or a finanshal one either! just a thought |
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« Reply #33 on: April 19, 2007, 01:08:09 PM » |
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I'm typing this post in response to the apparent confusion of people in this forum when it comes to techniques in Parkour. To the casual observer, traceurs do "moves" to pass obstacles. A common misconception arises from this: that Parkour is a collection of "moves", and that there is a list of "Parkour moves" that, when preformed, are Parkour.
Individual techniques are not what makes up Parkour. Instead, it is your mindset that determines whether or not your actions are within the realm of Parkour. Without the correct intent, these movements are not being used for Parkour. This is what separates Parkour from other activities, the purposefulness.
There is no list that encompasses all motions that can be used in Parkour. This being said, there ARE some movements that are especially useful that many traceurs use as a base skill set in Parkour. These techniques are used very often because of their versatility and effectivness. These include the saut de chat (kong), saut de bras (cat leap), breakfalls, demi tour (turn vault), tic-tac, and passe muraille (wall climb) , among others.
However, as I said before, none of these movements are Parkour in and of themselves. Picture two cardboard boxes. One is filled with books, while the other contains nothing but air. At first glance, to the average observer, the boxes will be appear to be identical. Similarly, unless filled by the proper purpose, these techniques which would appear the same, are simply empty "moves".
I feel the same way! This is why I can't bring my self to "do a move" just because, for the hell of it. I mean, why, if it's out of my way or inefficient or impractical? I'm going from A-to-B, not stopping to leap over a random wall that's not in my immediate intended path... |
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« Reply #34 on: April 24, 2007, 02:53:59 PM » |
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I know there are times I've changed my path just to jump some extra railings. Just for fun. Does that mean my mindset has changed from PK to freerunning for that extra ten feet? Probably.
There's a whole thread on competition. Check it out.
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« Reply #35 on: May 24, 2007, 09:33:08 PM » |
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Just to back up Asa's original point: This is very true for a lot of disciplines. In martial arts, for example, you do tons of stance drills, kicking and punching drills, and forms. You practice them over and over until they are in your muscle memory and mind and heart. However, when you use your martial arts in competition or some other situation, you don't do the forms and drills; you just do what you need to do as the situation calls for it. To draw another analogy, ballet is the same thing. I can walk into any ballet class anywhere in the world and know what to expect. We will do barre exercises, and they will go in a specific order; and then we will dance in the centre and those exercises will go in a specific order. However, this is all in preparation for performance. No one does barre and centre on stage (no one would pay to see it!) However the idea is to train those movements so specifically and instinctively that the dancer can handle any choreography given for performance; and beyond that, can manage any sort of event that might happen in performance (e.g. a shoe breaking, a slippery spot on the floor, etc.) with grace and aplomb. The training is not the art form; the training is the development of a toolbox with which to engage in the art form. Technique is the basis: you have to learn the rules to such precision and expertise that you can break them on the fly if the discipline asks it of you. However every movement comes from and returns to the technique you have spent weeks/months/years developing. I can only perform "Snow" in my ballet company's "Nutcracker," dancing for a mere 6 minutes, because I have trained for over 20 years on an daily basis to develop the muscle memory and physical experience necessary to get me through that 6 minutes. There is so much that happens "invisibly" behind what is seen on the surface. What the audience sees is the *result* of those 20+ years, but not those 20 years' training. What's happened inside those studio walls, behind the theatre, is between me, my body, my teachers, and my artistic director. I consider it all to be ballet, but there is a significant difference between a dancer who has only class/technical experience, and a dancer who also has performance experience. IMO, the former is missing a substantial component of the art form. Two thumbs up for Asa.  |
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« Reply #36 on: June 11, 2007, 02:04:27 PM » |
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I've been following this topic and reading the posts, thanks people a lot of insight here. I'd have to say with moves and parkour, the moves aren't the goal: parkour is. The moves; kongs, muscle ups; they are the means to the end, with the end being parkour. And hey, after all, the point is to have fun and get from point A to point B. How you do it is your decision.
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« Reply #37 on: June 24, 2007, 08:28:45 AM » |
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2 thumbs up, asa. if parkour ever gets bigger, alot of people would say "i can do that!" and then they do a monkey vault and faceplant.
would you mind posting it on UFF and other places such as myspace? thanks Asa,
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« Reply #39 on: June 27, 2007, 10:51:10 AM » |
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Well said!  |
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« Reply #40 on: July 08, 2007, 11:13:31 PM » |
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It's good to see how things are looking nowadays on APK, looks like people are learning very well! Any additions to the original post that you can think of?
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« Reply #41 on: September 05, 2007, 10:00:53 PM » |
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Wait. So is this the difference between parkour and free running?
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« Reply #42 on: September 15, 2007, 09:45:18 PM » |
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Wait. So is this the difference between parkour and free running?
Huh? |
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She followed slowly, taking a long time, as though there were some obstacle in the way; and yet: as though, once it was overcome, she would be beyond all walking, and would fly. --excerpt from Going Blind, Rainer Maria Rilke www.madparkour.com |
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« Reply #43 on: September 17, 2007, 07:59:00 AM » |
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what? In eithee disipline the idea id movement. Not Saut de Chat or presicion or Saut de Bras teh goal is to move hrough you renvironment unhindered. In PK the ide is to move unhindered to promote an efficent and direct path while in Free-running th eidea is to be completely free from the normal rules of movement this may include passing obstacles and utalizing movements that are not direct but more expressive of a personal style. anyways back on topic. If Pk where to become an oraganized sports it woul dwithout a doubt be linked ot skating. it would also follow the same evolution for example: 1970's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y61IN8TeUKw Modern skate competiton http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUydg4Z5uow&mode=related&search=what's th eemphasis the Ride or the biggest trick? in pk, what will be the message that we want to put out there? Skateing chose one of anti-authority and ego. What do you want to say? |
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« Reply #44 on: September 17, 2007, 09:39:32 AM » |
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That first video was taken in 07, not 70.. No one was pulling air or doing inverts in the 70's, and their boards were much smaller.
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