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« on: April 05, 2007, 12:26:50 PM »

I came across this on parkour.net and thought the thoughts in it were very important to people to consider, its long but please read through it as I believe this concerns all of us in the parkour community.

"Dilution

Dilution:
a) The process of making weaker or less concentrated
b) A dilute or weakened condition.
c) A diluted substance.


I've not posted for a while as my mind has been busy and it's only now that I feel I want to share the outcome of my thoughts. This entry may offend you, it may seem like it's directed at you and maybe it is.

I can live with being disliked for telling the truth, but I can not continue living with this opinion and not sharing it with the people I think it might help. I know I am not the only one who shares the following opinions and I feel it is worthwhile voicing them if it changes just one person's mindset and helps them. This is primarily for a friend of mine who I haven't trained with in a little while. A friend who seems to have become a little down with his training, a little distant, a little worried that he's not as good as other people. This is for him and all of the other people who feel disheartened watching the people around them do things they cannot... and also for the newcomers to Parkour.


Yesterday was my 1300th day of practicing Parkour. I'm not a big believer in anniversaries but it was on this day that the thoughts of two weeks came together and fused to become solid in my head.

I started training 1301 days ago on September 10, 2003, the day after Jump London aired for the first time on Channel 4 and it's amazing to think how much has happened and how much my life has changed since then.

I vividly remember the very first training session I had, 185 weeks and 6 days ago. It was with my good friend at the time, Tom, and we were both so excited from watching Jump London and wanted to jump right in and get started! I remember trying some vaults, small jumps through a gap in a moving swing and I remember the first real experience of fear in Parkour as I jumped off the roof of a local gymnastics club and rolled on the grass. It was terrifying at the time and I think it was around 12ft high. I did this because I thought this is what Parkour was, jumping off high things and living to tell the tale the next day. Oh how far we’ve all come since then... or have we?

Now as most people will tell you, the days after your first session are hellish. Who remembers that unspeakable sensation of pain just walking up a flight of stairs in the days following your first real hardcore session? I remember my quads feeling like they had been assaulted by a gang of angry thugs with baseball bats for 2 weeks.

These days there is a wealth of great information available for people starting out in the discipline that I did not have access to in the beginning of my training. It was mostly trial and error, with a large dose of the latter. But despite the benefits that learning from past experiences of veteran traceurs can bring, I can't help but wonder if there are consequences to this.

I realise how difficult it must have been for David Belle and all of the other original traceurs of Lisses as they plunged forward in darkness over 15 years ago having no idea what they were doing or where it would lead. They slowly carved a path in a new direction and lit it up along the way for people to follow. It took many years for those guys to create the most basic movements and refine them to the extent that almost any obstacle could be overcome using just a handful of varying techniques and it is a truly remarkable accomplishment. An epic journey that a new traceur of today can bypass, almost, as they learn 10 new techniques in 2 months, that would have taken perhaps 5 years worth of training back in Lisses in the early 90's to achieve.

So at the rate we are developing, progressing and learning, surely we will catch up to them carving in the distance and be able to help them light up the path, right?

No, I don't think so.

I think we are travelling so quickly along that same path that we are going to run out of fuel before we reach them. They are looking behind them and see us in the distance and I think they are probably hoping we reach them to help the discipline grow, but I don't think many people of future generations ever will.
To quote Stephane Vigroux, "I think for many people it has to be more personal... everybody's moving... I'm really happy for them... but too quickly, too fast, too easy, too much show... too much."

There are guys who have been training for less than a year that are doing bigger and further things than guys who have been training for four years and I believe this is mainly due to the library of knowledge available now. This may sound good in principle, that as the generations go on, we will have new guys able to sidestep the trial and error process and just stick to what has been proven to work, to get to a good level in Parkour. But I'm worried.

I think that the trial and error approach taught the original traceurs of Lisses a vast amount about themselves and injected them with a creativity and passion and courage that is being forgotten today and is being replaced with 'by the book' training. Not only do I believe that their mental and physical adeptness is far superior to my own, I believe this will be further diluted as the generations go by and the future traceurs begin their training. People now have lists of movements to learn and tick them off as they do them and quickly move on to something new, something bigger, something more impressive.

The best way to get respected in the Parkour community today seems to be doing the biggest and best things with the minimum amount of training to get there. As long as you do it, it doesn't matter how sloppy it was, how slow the climb up was, how precise the landing was or how much damage it did to the person. Everybody spreads the word that "X" did "Y" so they must be better than “Z” since they have only been training for “W” months! This approach can quickly escalate and recently I feel it has been destroying the true nature of Parkour. People are doing things to be recognised by other people and it’s tough for the people working hard and progressing steadily to see this going on around them. They feel pressured in to attempting things beyond their level when they see it happening and that’s not their fault.

To me, Parkour is a long and worthwhile campaign - not one short, epic battle.

I'm not only worried about the mental progression and creativity of new practitioners being sacrificed, I'm equally concerned about the physical costs of such textbook progression.

Like myself, some of you may have memories of a granddad who was the only one in the family that could open the pickle jar at dinner time, despite his advanced years. This 'granddad strength' I speak of was no miracle - it was the product of 60 years of manual labour and a strength produced from many years of repetitive muscle use.

I'm concerned that the shortcuts available to today's practitioners might rob them of the irreplaceable muscular development that the Lisses traceurs have, the deep rooted neurological pathways and the vast amount of muscle memory that no book, article or spoken word can give to them. The granddad strength.

We all know you can condition your body from the beginning of your training and this will help your technical ability but I still feel people are moving too quickly and progressing too fast. I regularly see things being done by newer traceurs that guys with years of experience haven't done and sometimes the more experienced guys feel bad... often they find themselves questioning their training and wondering why they aren't as good, wondering where they got left behind and wondering why everybody seems to be better than them.

People have come to me, literally depressed about their training and looking for advice and asking where they went wrong, wondering what the newer guys have that they don't. The answer I've given to these people is simple. The new practitioners doing the massive jumps, the impressive techniques, the big, the hard, the long, the far etc. have ignited a fuse that will see them burn out years before they might want to, simply because their bodies are not ready for what they are doing. It's not just a question of knees, what about the damage being done to the shoulders of new guys doing big drops from branch to branch? What about their elbows?

What will be the long-term effects of this?

What will be the long-term effects of doing 12ft level arm jumps when the shoulders haven't experienced 10,000 smaller ones?

What will be the long-term effects of dropping 15ft to concrete when the legs haven't experienced 10,000, 5ft drops?

Time will tell.

Look at the best traceurs in the world. Go to Lisses and see them, talk to them, train with them and learn from them. They are not the best because they are genetically gifted or were crazy to try all the new things when they were younger and they are not the best because they progressed quickly. They are the best and the strongest because the progressed steadily. They built layer upon layer of armour on their bodies over years and years, repeating things thousands of times and not rushing the process. They have deep rooted granddad strength and resilience and resistance to injury that comes from gradual progression.

Various interviews with David have all asked about injuries and David has shaken his head and said his knees are fine, his arms are fine, he has no pain. This is after 18 years of training. By contrast, today we have guys with one year of training behind them taking months out with knee problems, shoulder dislocations, tendonitis... surgery to repair the body before 20 years of age. Is this a coincidence? Or is this because we are pushing too hard, too fast, trying to be the best and compare to others?

Parkour is a personal journey and one that is hard work. There are no shortcuts and there are no quick fixes. If you want 'to be and to last' then I suggest you take a long hard look at your training and ask yourself if you are doing this for fun, for a few years until you can settle down and get a job, get married, have kids and retire. If so then do what you want, do the massive jumps, do everything you want to do and don't look back. Just be aware that you are having an effect on the others who are in this for the long haul and working hard to get strong. Try to bear this in mind when you say “I did this, so why don’t you?” to them.

But if you want to truly discipline your body, become strong and last in Parkour then you must not compare yourself to anybody else. It can be too tempting to get talked in to doing something beyond your level when you see less experienced people doing it. Be the bigger man/woman and realise the damage they are doing to themselves and take pride in knowing you didn't succumb to peer pressure. In 10 years when they're walking with a cane, you will be able to do that jump a hundred times without generating a bead of sweat.

I’m not sure how we can help the future generations of traceurs and the future of Parkour. By providing them with our experience we can prepare them but it must not become a substitute for trial and error or we will all become clones of our teachers. There must remain an element of trial and error and an element of exploration. They must also be allowed to progress in their own time without feeling the pressure of people around them. I’m going to make it a personal goal of mine to help the people I see feeling pressured in to doing something they don’t want to, it would be great if some people reading this could take the time to join me.


To summarise the two points in the above article...

1) If you’re new to Parkour, research as much as possible and learn from the people who have walked the path before you, but do not lose your creativity and ability to think for yourself. Try new things, explore different methods and progress at your own pace. What you need to remember is that the people before you have more physical experience that has built what I refer to as ‘granddad strength’ and that cannot be taught or passed on. You can rush the theory but you cannot take shortcuts on the practical stage if you want to last in this discipline.

2) If you are more experienced in Parkour and feel like newer people are better than you, do not feel pressured in to pushing yourself too hard or doing things just because they are. Try to warn them of the dangers of trying things beyond their bodies’ conditioned state - even if they can do something, doesn’t mean they should. They are learning faster than you due to the wealth of information before them, due to your hard work.

If you care for the future of Parkour then it is your duty to help them to progress sensibly and remind them that they should slow down when you think they are going too fast. If we do not do this, Parkour will slowly die as its practitioners become weaker and weaker duplicates of past traceurs due to injury, overtraining and joint destruction.


Are you going to help to dilute Parkour and the new traceurs, Or are you going help to concentrate it and strengthen them?

"Tread softly because you tread on my dreams." - William Butler Yeats


-Blane"

The original thread is here.
http://parkour.net/parkour/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=9143&forum=1&post_id=134937#forumpost134937
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« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2007, 12:38:05 PM »

I agree with all that. I also experienced many mistakes in my early training, ones that I have learned a lot from and feel the need to pass on that knowledge to others so they can train more safely and efficiently. While new people do have more resources to learn faster nowadays, that does not negate all the repetition and practice they must put into every little technique. There is no shortcut for that.

Oh, and the original link is http://www.blane-parkour.blogspot.com/. A good blog that I keep a constant eye on for updates. Good stuff.
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« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2007, 01:24:40 PM »

I'm still very new to PK (few months now) and I have to say that the idea of people being better, or worse than others, has never crossed my mind.  I don't hope to one day be like David Belle, I hope to one day be at my best.  I train with guys who can do things I only dream about, but it doesn't depress me, cause I don't think "why can't I do that?" I just think, "I hope to one day be able to do that."

Perhaps the depression problems stems from people doing PK for the wrong reasons.  I do it because my insides desire the movement.  It's completely and totally personal.  If I spend the rest of my life only being able to precision 6 feet long, and only being able to kong over things that reach my belly bottom, well then so be it.  I'm not here to conquer the world, I'm here to move because my body screams out for it.

EDIT:  Perhaps the problem comes from thinking too much about what will come of Parkour.  Will it get sneaker endorsements, will they make X-Game type competitions...who cares?  It's about what it means to you, and you alone. 
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« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2007, 01:42:47 PM »

I think that's one of the best things I've read in a long time.  Thanks, Faelcind.  And thanks to Blane, if he ever checks these boards.

I agree entirely.  I DO get discouraged when I know someone who's been training for less time than I have can do something bigger, farther, and more daring.  I've learned to be patient, though, and not push myself... because everyone moves at their own pace.  Maybe they're damaging themselves too much, maybe not.  I think, though, everyone should move at their own pace, as comfortably as possible.  For me, it's a rather slow pace, but that's the way I like it.
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« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2007, 02:08:05 PM »

Yeah I read this earlier. :thumbsup: really nice write / read.
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« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2007, 02:46:27 PM »

This is one of the main reasons I am really against competition too because if you think that the the acceleration of training beyond what the body is ready for, and misguided training, and misunderstanding of how to train are bad now think about the effect telivised competitions would have. Its true what gear said in his article on why competition is good that it makes people progress faster and reach higher levels of skill. But at what cost, look at elite atheletes in any sport and how many are forced to retire because of catastrophic injury, a career as an elite athelete is a virtual guarentee of serious and chronic injuries at some point. To me that misses the point of parkour completely.
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« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2007, 03:47:19 PM »

When you push yourself to do better or new things, you will "fail". You'll make a mistake or hit something that's beyond your limits. The problem is, what are the consequences? If you're swimming distance in a pool and cramp up,  you can easily swim to the side and climb out. If you're 1/2 mile out in the ocean, you're in trouble. If you're playing poker for pennies, you may lose a couple dollars. If you're playing high stakes, you can lose the farm.

Since PK's a new activity, there aren't a lot of people you can point to and say "This is what happens if you PK for ten years. This is what happens if you start too slow. This is what happens if you start too fast." That knowledge base isn't out there. The natural thing is to see Belle, Foucan, videos on YouTube, Demon's Drills, etc. and get inspired to try new things. This is a good thing. If you don't know that it's possible to go over a wall, it will always be an obstacle for you.

PK puts a lot of stress on joints and muscles. We do a lot of fast, anaerobic movements. The surfaces we land on tend to be hard and unforgiving. As speed increases, and degree of difficulty increases, the chance of making a mistake increases, and so do the consequences.

What's going to happen? I think we're going to get a lot of people trying big jumps, vaults, and drops, even though they don't know how to land or roll properly. They'll get away with sloppy technique for a while. Then they'll get hurt.

If I walk up to you and say "You have crappy technique,"  you'll get angry and defensive, right? You probably won't listen to me - even when you get hurt.

What if I watch you a bit, and say, "I've been watching you. You're fast, and you jump well. Your kong was powerful, but I noticed you're having problems with some of your landings." Even if I don't jump as well as you, you'll be more willing to listen to listen to me.

I think we have a responsibility to see what our fellow traceurs are doing. Let them know when they're doing something well. Know what's good technique, what's bad. Encourage creativity. Learn from each other. Help each other out. Prevent injuries...

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« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2007, 05:21:46 PM »

When you push yourself to do better or new things, you will "fail". You'll make a mistake or hit something that's beyond your limits. The problem is, what are the consequences? If you're swimming distance in a pool and cramp up,  you can easily swim to the side and climb out. If you're 1/2 mile out in the ocean, you're in trouble. If you're playing poker for pennies, you may lose a couple dollars. If you're playing high stakes, you can lose the farm.

in parkour you never have to fail. i dont attempt anything that i dont know i can do, my body progresses on its on, and my mind expands my physical limitations.

in poker too, if you're patient and keep your cool, you can come home almost every night with more than you left with.
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« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2007, 06:37:44 AM »

I totally agree, I think many people including myself "jumped" in to parkour too quickly without the proper training and practice... I think that we all need to put our egos aside and train and enjoy parkour with out worrying how big etc.. we need to work on helping each other and working together to improve.. Not compete against each other and do stupid things.. Just my thoughts... That was definatly worth reading..
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« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2007, 06:44:46 AM »

This is one of the main reasons I am really against competition too because if you think that the the acceleration of training beyond what the body is ready for, and misguided training, and misunderstanding of how to train are bad now think about the effect telivised competitions would have. Its true what gear said in his article on why competition is good that it makes people progress faster and reach higher levels of skill. But at what cost, look at elite atheletes in any sport and how many are forced to retire because of catastrophic injury, a career as an elite athelete is a virtual guarentee of serious and chronic injuries at some point. To me that misses the point of parkour completely.

I agree completely, but I think that Blane points out the fact that it happens either way. Competition or not, people will try to outdo each other. It's not necessarily the nature of the way an activity is performed (i.e. organized comps versus posting videos on the internet) but rather the way individuals approach it. A similar point was made in the "business and Parkour" thread and the article on the front page, competition, business, sponsors, etc. don't change the way a practitioner trains...only the individual practitioner can do that. This is where it's up to the individual to lead by example by training and treating others the way they feel is best and working everyday towards whatever goals they may deem productive. If that changes for any one of us due to the influences that WILL become a part of Parkour in the coming years, we only have ourselves to blame.
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« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2007, 06:47:51 AM »

yeah I noticed new people I train pick up moves instantly that took me a few weeks or even months to get when I first started.
I figured it was because I had no one to learn from when I started.  I tell my training buddy that its a good thing, because we have more experience with what can go wrong when you try somthing, and also more experience "saving" yourself when you bail.
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« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2007, 08:27:26 AM »

This is a great article, Blane makes a lot of good points. I've emailed him to ask if I could put it on the homepage to help spread it's benefit.

There is one thing though, and I hope this doesn't stand true for anyone:

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The best way to get respected in the Parkour community today seems to be doing the biggest and best things with the minimum amount of training to get there


I hope nobody feels this will bring you respect, it will bring you nothing but pain.  Parkour is not about "jumping off stuff" and it is not about "going big" ... it is about improving from wherever you are.
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« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2007, 09:54:10 AM »

I am glad I read this article before I did anything stupid. It does feel bad when someone just does something that i have trained hard to be able to do and I am glad that I have a new perspective on this.

Also I dont have an account there but someone please post this on UFF, they have removed and are not forcing conditioning anymore.
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« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2007, 10:38:51 AM »

You know, today marks one of my anniversaries as well. It's my 7th month as a Traceur.

Maybe I haven't been progressing as fast as many other Traceurs, but I've been training hard and seeing the benefits. A lifetime of weakness and sedentary activity has been wiped away.

Here's what I've achieved so far:

*Although I haven't entirely staved off the Freshman 15, I've put on 20 lbs. of muscle mass.
*I no longer get tired walking to and from my classes.
*I no longer trip over my own feet
*I can do a handstand (sort of)
*I can actually carry a 24 pack of bottled water up to my room without resorting to the elevator.
*I've done things that I thought my pre-med/computer nerd body could never handle.
*My immune system has improved enough that my chronic sinus infections stopped.
*I don't sprain my ankle every time I walk off a curb the wrong way.

Maybe these seem small, even pathetic achievements, but at least I have something to be proud of. And I haven't had any injury that has taken me out of training for more than a week, so that's a good thing too.


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« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2007, 07:37:35 PM »

A random traceur actually AIM'd me the Parkour.net link today. I was surprised, but in a good way. It amazes me that some traceurs actually care so much to make sure personally that other people see it. I hadn't read it before then. Here's part of the chatlog:

(11:14:39 AM) C01BYAkARUKU5: parkour or tricking?
(11:15:24 AM) Pat: Hello.
(11:15:31 AM) Pat: Parkour.
(11:15:32 AM) C01BYAkARUKU5: ok
(11:15:34 AM) C01BYAkARUKU5:  good
(11:15:36 AM) Pat: Sorry, I was AFK for a bit.
(11:15:36 AM) C01BYAkARUKU5:  http://parkour.net/parkour/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=9143&forum=1 (http://parkour.net/parkour/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=9143&forum=1)
(11:15:39 AM) C01BYAkARUKU5:  its kewl
(11:15:42 AM) C01BYAkARUKU5:  just go there and read
(11:15:49 AM) Pat: Sure.
(11:21:16 AM) Pat: Hm, as of now, my actual Parkour training has been very minimal. Mostly just conditioning so I can do it...
(11:21:37 AM) C01BYAkARUKU5:  its a great article isnt it
(11:21:42 AM) Pat: Usually 2-3 times a week, I'll throw some drills into my exercise routine, but not TOO much.
(11:24:06 AM) Pat: "As long as you do it, it doesn't matter how sloppy it was, how slow the climb up was, how precise the landing was or how much damage it did to the person."
(11:24:15 AM) Pat: Not at all.
(11:24:29 AM) Pat: Of course, that's also the point he is trying to make.
(11:24:52 AM) Pat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jUGVHaxavc&mode=related&search=
(11:25:09 AM) Pat: Yeah...
(11:25:26 AM) Pat: (No, that is not me.)
(11:29:36 AM) Pat: Good read.
(11:29:43 AM) Pat: Thanks for that link.
(11:30:30 AM) C01BYAkARUKU5:  np
(11:30:31 AM) Pat: Not that I'm really concerned that I'm taking to too hard too fast, but it is nice to know that some of the highly experienced/respected people are voicing their opinions about it to newcommers.
(11:30:47 AM) Pat: Did you watch the YouTube I linked to?
(11:30:56 AM) C01BYAkARUKU5:  i was afk
(11:34:36 AM) C01BYAkARUKU5:  dude, those kids arent gunna b able to walk when they're 40\
(11:35:27 AM) Pat: They won't be able to walk by the time they are 18...
(11:35:52 AM) C01BYAkARUKU5:  see, that's exactly why we traceurs get bad publicity
(11:35:53 AM) Pat: If I didn't know how terribly bad that was for them, I'd be laughing.
(11:35:57 AM) C01BYAkARUKU5:  yeah
(11:36:40 AM) Pat: (Which yeah, gives traceurs/freerunners/trickers a reputation of being silly/idiotic among normal people.)
(11:36:55 AM) C01BYAkARUKU5:  exactly
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