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« on: December 05, 2006, 10:26:20 PM »

When I started parkour 3 years ago, I remember going to google.com, typing in parkour, and there being some diesel videos on there, and nothing more ; and being very impressed.

It was a simpler time, when you didn't have to correct people who tag tricking videos, and gymnastics videos as "parkour," nor did you have a million comments below the video, by arrogant f***s who argued about a single flip "BEING PARKOUR."
No, it was a time when random videos from different countries showcased the best of the best.

Yet, I have noticed recentely the ammount of;and this is truth at its most here; crap videos.  Nearly every place I go:video google, youtube, etc...; are plauged by hundreds of idiotic clip of two seconds of a kong, or some kid jogging up to a gate and jumping over it.

Please, in reality:
*Noone needs to see you train, especially if ever, more than once.  The reason that makes training videos interesting is if you have a new method.  Think about it: if you ever have enjoyed a training video, it is because they have a unique method, and it is worth displaying using the tools of video and the internet.  Take for example, compare these two videos, and tell me which one is more interesting:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=T1V-yaGESJ4
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ss2lIAo2EiI&mode=related&search=


and funny enough, I just actually typed in "parkour training," and this was result one:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=oMjevDv06z0
How pathetic.


*You DONT need to post a video every 2 weeks. Think about what makes a great video great when it comes out.  Think about those random videos that come out once in a while from random places that they came from:
     -The Speeders video from France
     -Dispersion from the USA
     -The PAWA rules from Russia
       etc...
 What makes them so good is because the members who film them only make a film when they have something to show.

*You don't NEED the internet OR videos
  People who post video of every kong they do, asking for people on the INTERNET to hold their hands and "COMMENT ON MY VID PLZZZZZ...," really; just stop.  David Belle didn't have the INTERNET when he trained, so you don't either.  If millions of other people learned to kong without having people watch videos of them, then so can you. 


*Shouldn't you be out training anyways and not making videos?



Ok, now that i've made those points, I now will call out the US and UK.  90% of these videos that I rant of, come from the US and UK.  Really try it; type in "parkour" and tell me how many videos are from the US and UK.  I'm from the US myself, so it's not like im just talking sh*t.

So please, next time you decide to make a video all you kids out there, please take my points into mind.


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edit:

I just found this on parkour.net:

http://parkour.net/parkour/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=7668&forum=4
http://www.parkourtube.com/



This is my point exactly.  Parkour should not be turning into this.  It should not be some cult website, where people can come and laugh at 12 second clips of kids jumping off things like idiots.




PLEASE, don't take me wrong, I love a good parkour video, BUT PLEASE..


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« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2006, 11:21:54 PM »

I'm betting that the majority of those videos come from people not on websites like these and so will never see this thread. I think it would be more worthwhile to analyze why people decide they need to put out videos like this.
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« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2006, 12:48:39 AM »

I concur. I see so many poor vids (a lot of people don't even know WTH parkour is) and just do random jumping off stuff and give it that name. It's pretty retarded.

I do think that vids are a good way to get feedback on technique; however, they should probably be more than 3 attempts or less like we are seeing. Probably 10 attempts is better to get a sense of what people are missing.

Vids should mainly be posted up for:
1. Good vids with something to show (as you said)
2. Vids posted for quality feedback
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« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2006, 10:44:35 AM »

I know someone exactly like that, He asked me on aim how to start parkour. So I pointed him to a few sites and tutorials. A week later he im's me again saying he and his freind just made a video... Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2006, 11:11:36 AM »

I'm betting that the majority of those videos come from people not on websites like these and so will never see this thread. I think it would be more worthwhile to analyze why people decide they need to put out videos like this.

exactly my thoughts
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« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2006, 05:20:58 AM »

I'm still working on my video...
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« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2006, 06:05:04 PM »

I wonder if anyone realizes that you don't have to make a video out of everytime you go Parkour-ing.
(Traceur-ing? What's the verb for that anyway?)


Edit: As a note about myself...
I found out about Parkour in mid-October, but I've already decided that I won't be doing anything other than serious strenght building until about February (Yes, I do need that long. ), and then I'd begin practicing the basics with any sort of frequency. The earliest I'd even be feeling ready to release a first video showing what the hell I've been preparing to do for months would be in late March...

And I'm perfectly willing to wait that long.
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« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2006, 07:38:51 PM »

I wonder if anyone realizes that you don't have to make a video out of everytime you go Parkour-ing.
(Traceur-ing? What's the verb for that anyway?)


Edit: As a note about myself...
I found out about Parkour in mid-October, but I've already decided that I won't be doing anything other than serious strenght building until about February (Yes, I do need that long. ), and then I'd begin practicing the basics with any sort of frequency. The earliest I'd even be feeling ready to release a first video showing what the hell I've been preparing to do for months would be in late March...

And I'm perfectly willing to wait that long.

Excellent choice, IMO. What does your training/conditioning/weightlifting program look like? We obviously want to optimize it for right now...
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« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2006, 08:47:53 PM »

This is exactly how i feel.  I've been wanting to make a video now for a while but I just keep setting new goals for myself and saying that I won't make one until I have all my goals complete.  Right now my goals are better standing gainers, faster climb ups (always), better running gainers, arabians, and a few others that won't have any relevance.
Anyway my point is that its so rare to see a really good video that shows somebodies prowess and skill.
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« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2006, 12:53:29 PM »

Excellent choice, IMO. What does your training/conditioning/weightlifting program look like? We obviously want to optimize it for right now...
That really varies from day to day depending on if I can go to the weight room at my highschool, and how crowded it is.
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« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2006, 12:57:06 PM »

Excellent choice, IMO. What does your training/conditioning/weightlifting program look like? We obviously want to optimize it for right now...
That really varies from day to day depending on if I can go to the weight room at my highschool, and how crowded it is.

If your high school weight room is like any other weight rooms you should be fine. Virtually NO ONE does squats, DLs, dips, pullups and other great compound exercises so you should be able to do those. Most of them do biceps... and bench press, heh.
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« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2006, 03:41:37 PM »

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What does your training/conditioning/weightlifting program look like?

Hey guys, either continue this in private messages, email, or start a thread in the Fitness section, this is really not the place for that discussion, but if you have anything constructive and new to add to the subject, please do!
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« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2006, 04:44:49 PM »

The way I see it, the majority of parkour videos on the net are those of people who want to "show off". If you have nothing to contribute to the advancement of parkour, then don't waste space.

Seriously, there are more than enough videos of people, noobs and veterans, just running around doing whatever they can. In my opinion, there is not enough creativity. And isn't that what parkour and freerunning is about? Freedom and adapting to your environment to make what you do unique and creative. I don't kno how many times I've seen an idividual do a double kong over a picnic table.

Maybe I'm wrong? Perhaps we should all limit ourselves to what we see others do and not strive to improve our techniques by expanding our imagination.
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« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2006, 06:42:27 PM »

As usual I'll make the argument for the minority opinion here. I wasn't gonna bother with this thread but since BCUs post really made it apparent I figured Ill post.

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It was a simpler time, when you didn't have to correct people who tag tricking videos, and gymnastics videos as "parkour,"
Actually, as I recall, all the old vids, of DB, Yamakazi, and even seb, had flips in them and were labeled Parkour vids. So this has been a problem from day1.

I totally agree that there are too many random/crap vids out there, and that...
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"You DONT need to post a video every 2 weeks."
So we should use restraint in how often we make them.

However, it seems the general census that people either make videos to show off (the majority of vids) or to show something new and unique, and that only the second kind are legitimate.
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the majority of parkour videos on the net are those of people who want to "show off". If you have nothing to contribute to the advancement of parkour, then don't waste space.

Now, I'll agree that many, heck maybe even most vids are made to show off. But to me there is a different motive than both of these that doesn't get a lot of attention, and that's the motive of the artist. If we look at a painter, why do they create paintings? Is it solely out of the joy they get from creating it, so that after its done they might as well burn it? Is it solely in order to show off how great of a painter they are? While I'm sure all painters enjoy the actual act of painting, and while they may have to impress some people with their art if they wish to make money at it, I would argue the overwhelmingly biggest motivation is that they just want to create something beautiful. They create both so that others can appreciate the beauty regardless of who made it, and so that the painter can have the joy of accomplishment when looking back at the painting later on.

Likewise, parkour (or freerunning) is an art, and as artists, it is totally natural and good to want to create something beautiful, and to have others appreciate that beauty in itself, not just to appreciate you, the artist. I was recently editing a video of mine, and it's a lot of fun to paint our movement into a work of art, as we please in a video. Even if all the individual parts have been done before, there can still be a great deal of creativity in style of movement, location, sequence, and the editing process.

So, in summary, videos are not just showcases for a persons greatness, nor are they just tools to "advance parkour." They are works of art in themselves, and I will never hold it against anyone, no matter how amateur, for wanting to create a work of art; to create a thing of beauty.

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« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2006, 11:51:53 PM »

+1 Sky Native

I basically cannot follow that with anything that would better express my feelings on the issues you just discussed. That is exactly how I feel.

I will just add that parkour, for me, is a passion that is totally consuming. I think about it constantly and dream about my next chance to get out and train. I imagine variations of form and movement. I watch videos over and over again, in slow motion or frame by frame, to analyze the traceurs' forms. I sweat this stuff out when I run and when I miss a gap, it bleeds out from my veins. I would venture to guess that the people who turn out these videos are much the same. They simply want to share their passion with others, and that is never a bad thing.
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