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« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2008, 10:34:38 AM » |
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+1, thanks for all the valuable information!
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« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2008, 01:42:54 PM » |
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Thanks, Steve!
You know I've been following your advice! Thanks for the list of exercises to complete my leg training.
I have also been focussing a lot on my standing long jump and didn't even think about working on high jumps.
Now I have list of things to add to my squats, cleans and deadlifts!
Thanks for the insight!!!!
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« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2008, 05:43:20 PM » |
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Most of the time when we focus on improving our jumps or sprinting ability, we focus on our calves. This is the most easily seen thing that we can improve, and it is relatively simple to do. You can do ankle jumps where you just use your calves and keep relatively straight legs. You can also do calf raises and other such exercises as well. I'm sure each one of us has done something in our lifetime to improve this ability. However, this is not what we are mainly after here. Neglecting the hamstrings, glutes and spinal erectors is one of the major reasons why people aren't getting the most out of their sprints and jumps as they want. And this is precisely the goal of this post. You mentioned exactly what people try to do to get better, but you didn't explicity say why it doesn't work. It's simple: power comes from the hips not your calves. Look at Olympic high jumpers. They have some of the tinyest calves you will ever see and yet they clear 7 foot high bars. Get those hips aligned and explosive and that's the key to improving the vertical. More info at www.MisterParkour.com and www.ADAPTTraining.com |
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« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2008, 06:31:13 PM » |
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Most of the time when we focus on improving our jumps or sprinting ability, we focus on our calves. This is the most easily seen thing that we can improve, and it is relatively simple to do. You can do ankle jumps where you just use your calves and keep relatively straight legs. You can also do calf raises and other such exercises as well. I'm sure each one of us has done something in our lifetime to improve this ability. However, this is not what we are mainly after here. Neglecting the hamstrings, glutes and spinal erectors is one of the major reasons why people aren't getting the most out of their sprints and jumps as they want. And this is precisely the goal of this post. You mentioned exactly what people try to do to get better, but you didn't explicity say why it doesn't work. It's simple: power comes from the hips not your calves. Look at Olympic high jumpers. They have some of the tinyest calves you will ever see and yet they clear 7 foot high bars. Get those hips aligned and explosive and that's the key to improving the vertical. More info at www.MisterParkour.com and www.ADAPTTraining.comAre you serious? You must have missed this part of the article -- you know...the part you QUOTED: "However, this is not what we are mainly after here. Neglecting the hamstrings, glutes and spinal erectors is one of the major reasons why people aren't getting the most out of their sprints and jumps as they want. And this is precisely the goal of this post." Neglecting the hamstrings, glutes and spinal erectors sounds like he is addressing that the hip joint is what we are looking to improve here. It looked like you wanted to try and nitpick something just to plug your sites... |
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« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2008, 05:01:40 PM » |
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What Chris said.
Plus, high jumpers use the calves and achilles tendon specifically to utilize the muscle elongation-conctraction (mediated by the muscle spindles) for the stretch-shorten cycle to store large amounts of energy for jumping higher. More mass can be detrimental to this.
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« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2008, 04:12:54 PM » |
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Plus, high jumpers use the calves and achilles tendon specifically to utilize the muscle elongation-conctraction (mediated by the muscle spindles) for the stretch-shorten cycle to store large amounts of energy for jumping higher. More mass can be detrimental to this.
Steve, is there anyway you could expand on this concept? I was trying to understand how this works and what role this can play in jumping in this thread http://www.americanparkour.com/smf/index.php?topic=10279.msg124501#msg124501 and never quite came to a conclusion. |
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« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2008, 06:42:20 PM » |
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Plus, high jumpers use the calves and achilles tendon specifically to utilize the muscle elongation-conctraction (mediated by the muscle spindles) for the stretch-shorten cycle to store large amounts of energy for jumping higher. More mass can be detrimental to this.
Steve, is there anyway you could expand on this concept? I was trying to understand how this works and what role this can play in jumping in this thread http://www.americanparkour.com/smf/index.php?topic=10279.msg124501#msg124501 and never quite came to a conclusion. Replied. Interesting discussion I suppose. I think the studies are misguided... explained a bunch of crap. Also, if you see something interesting in movements (or any other forum not in this section aka WODs, training logs, gen fitness, injuries) feel free to post up in this forum if you want comments from me. I usually don't check there anymore. |
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« Reply #22 on: June 19, 2008, 09:18:18 AM » |
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Thanks, Steve. +1 for you.
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« Reply #23 on: July 11, 2008, 11:43:58 PM » |
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This is great, helped me alot... Thanks!  |
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« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2008, 11:57:17 AM » |
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Although i am no expert on the subject by any means, olympic lifting is the way to go. I have challenged many of my friends who talk about verticals to do cleans a cuople times a week for like a month and come back and talk to me. And sure enough, nearly everytime, they put on 3" or so to their vertical leap.
Having run into Steven on a couple different sites now, i believe you would not be doing something detrimental to your training by following these guidelines. Especially cause i have not experienced any training that gives as much improvement as the oly lifts do. My favorite is the power clean, but that is just me;-)
good job Steve
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« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2008, 07:03:15 PM » |
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I read this page a while back, around when it was posted, and ever since then I have referenced it many times, and cited it even more, It eventually led me to a 30in standing vertical jump. I give this five out of five, if that means anything.  |
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« Reply #26 on: October 04, 2008, 04:15:20 PM » |
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Box jumping is the most relevant jump to parkour... getting over an obstacle with a jump.
How nice is it to just hop over a 4 1/2 foot fence, no touching it?
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« Reply #27 on: November 19, 2008, 10:04:07 PM » |
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Great stuff!
I do a lot of olympic lifting with my v-ball team. I've taken a few courses from a guy named Jimmy Radcliffe. He's got a great book Functional Training for Athletes at all Levels (ISBN: 978-1-56975-584-6). It even has pictures... oooo.
Also, my physiology training is limited, but I believe an added benefit to throwing the hammies in there is it increases knee durrability and stability. I'm sure most of us would like healthier knees. A note on that... make sure you keep your heels on the ground when doing squats. Going up onto your toes can place undue stress on the knees.
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« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2008, 04:49:09 PM » |
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I don't have the link handy, but recent research is showing the biggest gains in vertical are achieved when plyometrics routines immediately follow the leg strengthening work out. So hit the weights and then go right into plyometrics. It'll be a little wobbly at first so take it easy.
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« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2008, 06:18:24 PM » |
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erm...i have serious doubts about that for many reasons...
a link here would be nice as I would be interested in reading their methods....
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