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« on: October 23, 2006, 04:46:18 PM »

First off, condolences to this young man's family and friends. Any way you look at it, the death of someone so young is tragic.

It is being pointed out that he was part of a Facebook Parkour Club, I'd like to see if anyone in our community knew him.

I'd also like to point out right off the bat that "Glasses and a scarf were found 140 feet up the tower" does NOT sound like Parkour to me. I can't imagine any situation or training that would lead someone 140 feet up a tower, so I'd like to state for both myself and APK that I do not feel that this is related in any way to Parkour. If some new information comes about I'd be very interested to hear it.

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« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2006, 06:22:33 PM »

sad news.
Also sad that the reporter will probably put parkour in a negitive light.     

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UPDATE 3:45 p.m.: Student member of facebook group that practices building jumping

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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2006, 06:41:50 PM »

gosh that sucks.
  my sincerest condolances. i am getting really tired of the people around me dieing. this is the tird death i have heard about in the last two weeks. 
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« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2006, 07:38:32 PM »

it sucks that parkour was once again put in a negitive way. but i would rather have parkour put in a negitive way everyday than to have one more death.
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« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2006, 07:40:36 PM »

Yea i was reading about this in a post by Ando. I really don't think he was doing parkour because of the height he was at. This was sad and I hope his friends and family are ok.
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« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2006, 08:24:55 PM »

im pretty sure that this is one of the first time that its been openly reported in the US that the police are looking into how parkour could be connected to his death.

this really friggin pisses me off, first off it is pretty obvious even with elementary knowledge that parkour played NO role in this, and second wtf does it even matter, seriously so what if someone dies doing parkour, how is that different from someone dying while rock climbing or the like, i don't see why a big deal would need to be made about it other than trying to put negative press out?

the thing that worries most about this is that if cops attribute this death to parkour, they might label it as a Deadly and Unsafe sport in the pubic press, which would obviosuly lead to people trying ban parkour in certain areas.

which makes me say that for those of us that really know what parkour is about, its now becoming our duty to make sure that people know what its really about and whats not parkour, otherwise the public will increasingly believe that parkour is nothing more than a buch of reckless teens "jumping off roofs".
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« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2006, 09:00:54 PM »

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its now becoming our duty to make sure that people know what its really about and whats not parkour, otherwise the public will increasingly believe that parkour is nothing more than a buch of reckless teens "jumping off roofs".

Not now becoming- has been, and will be. Proper education about Parkour and that it starts and ends with safety and betterment, never recklessness or carelessness is very important for the future of Parkour.

Accidents will happen, they will at some point happen to someone who is legitimately practicing parkour, and it will be sad, no more sad than when anyone else dies unexpectedly, and no less. Parkour does involve risk, and people should be aware of that every moment they are practicing, and it is only through constant reminder that we can minimize the risk.

In cases like this which don't seem to be parkour related, we need to keep reminding people what Parkour is really about, it is a training method to understand and better one's self by practicing overcoming obstacles in our environment.

It will be no different when someone who is practicing parkour is seriously injured or killed, we wil need to remind people that Parkour is meant and practiced for betterment of an individual, not for thrill seeking or showing off.
 

Please understand that APK DOES NOT advocate doing moves at lethal heights, and does not advocate doing moves which are inherently dangerous. Yes, push your limits, don't break them, and always be mindful of the consequences.
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« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2006, 10:33:08 PM »

very very sad, i hope this doesn't bring any problems to parkour because, as you all say, this probably has NOTHING to do with it. many condolences to everyone he knew and loved.
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« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2006, 11:00:35 PM »

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its now becoming our duty to make sure that people know what its really about and whats not parkour, otherwise the public will increasingly believe that parkour is nothing more than a buch of reckless teens "jumping off roofs".

Not now becoming- has been, and will be. Proper education about Parkour and that it starts and ends with safety and betterment, never recklessness or carelessness is very important for the future of Parkour.

Accidents will happen, they will at some point happen to someone who is legitimately practicing parkour, and it will be sad, no more sad than when anyone else dies unexpectedly, and no less. Parkour does involve risk, and people should be aware of that every moment they are practicing, and it is only through constant reminder that we can minimize the risk.

In cases like this which don't seem to be parkour related, we need to keep reminding people what Parkour is really about, it is a training method to understand and better one's self by practicing overcoming obstacles in our environment.

It will be no different when someone who is practicing parkour is seriously injured or killed, we wil need to remind people that Parkour is meant and practiced for betterment of an individual, not for thrill seeking or showing off.
 

Please understand that APK DOES NOT advocate doing moves at lethal heights, and does not advocate doing moves which are inherently dangerous. Yes, push your limits, don't break them, and always be mindful of the consequences.

as usual M2 well said, i wish what you just said now was the kinda stuff i'd see in press articles about parkour(not to take away from those who have given parkour a good name in their respective local presses)
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« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2006, 07:45:49 AM »

I suggest people write the letter to the person writting the article.  NICE letters.
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« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2006, 03:59:36 PM »

Update: Some Chicago traceurs have been asked to be interviewed for abc or nbc or some big news program.

So far, out of the people the Chicago guys have talked to, nobody knew who the departed was, aparently, although he had visited facebook, he was not an active part of any parkour community that we know of.

There is still no information which links this death to Parkour. Hopefully the media won't make a mess of this.


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« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2006, 05:33:54 PM »

i really fail to see how a 140 ft tower is an "obstacle", and i doubt anyone would try to go over it....it seems to me that they (the police or who ever) either fail to see what parkour is all about or they are just looking for an easy answer
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« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2006, 05:53:23 PM »

i am afriad that people will always fear things they do not understand and will blame those things for an easy answer. people are lazy as sin and will always lok for an excuse for something instead of really looking for the truth. Embarrassed Cry
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« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2006, 05:51:03 AM »

i am afriad that people will always fear things they do not understand and will blame those things for an easy answer. people are lazy as sin and will always lok for an excuse for something instead of really looking for the truth. Embarrassed Cry


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« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2006, 10:04:03 AM »

Hey guys, Frosti and I just got interviewed tonight by CBS news and it was aired at 10pm tonight.  It came across surprisingly well, and they explained the death and then explained what parkour was about.  Had some clips of us doing some runs and Frosti explaining the safety aspects.  They basically wanted a story explaining what parkour is about, so the safety aspect and our demonstration cleared up some misconceptions.

This is what they had to say.

“Fu was fond of Parkour, an activity described as an urban gymnastics. In Parkour, people leap fluidly over ledges, railings and walls to improve their physical and mental agility.” CBS News

Frosti - “I think it’s possible for things to be risky, but what we’re doing here is taking the risk out of it by training and learning what we’re able to do.”



Here’s some info for you guys since all you really know about is the article.

Fu was interested in Parkour and had joined the parkour facebook group.  No one from the Chicago scene has ever seen or heard about him before.  No one from the University of Illinois scene has heard of him or jammed with him.  So basically the parkour guys down there have no idea who Fu is.

The structure he was on is a huge antenna tower that just goes 140 feet straight up.  This is defiantly not parkour and just climbing 140 feet up is not something a beginner or advance traceur should attempt.

It's kind of hard to tie him to parkour since no one has ever seen or heard of him in the parkour community, but let’s just say he was doing parkour.  In this case a beginner starting off by climbing a tower is clearly misinformed, and I don't know of any sites that would promote such an idea.  Everyone i have run into has always promoted starting off small and safety first.  This connection is pretty weak right now, and the more info we are getting the less and less it seems like parkour had anything to do with it. 

This is a real tragic event, and it's sad to see someone die so young.  I wish I could have jammed with him to teach him some parkour since he seemed interested, and he prolly would have been a great addition to the Parkour scene.
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