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« on: October 03, 2006, 09:15:47 AM » |
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I was watching the Discovery Channel's new "World Atlas" series ... the show on people form China, which I have been eagerly awaiting. Int he beginning they do this montage of "people from all over the world" and there is a brief (1/2 second maybe) clip of Seb doing a tic-tac, I'd imagine clipped somewhere out of JB. It was cool for 2 reasons: 1, it's Seb  2, Parkour is being shown as a "world interest" item if it makes it as a clip in the beginning of thast show. Thoughts? Is Parkour a "world interest" yet? If not when will it be? |
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« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2006, 09:18:34 AM » |
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Doh! Just saw that some others have already posted about thism, and that there will actually be a bit about him in one of the episodes. That's awesome!! I'll leave my thread too since it asks a question and tries to start a conversation about it.
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« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2006, 11:49:58 AM » |
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When will it be on  !!!!!!!!! I wanted to watch a couple episodes of that anyway because i love the discovery channel (mostly Mythbusters) I personaly think it is a blooming world intrest. This is mainly because it has spread over the world and more and more people are staring to train in Parkour. |
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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2006, 12:38:52 PM » |
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i dont believe that it is a "world interest" yet. however if the parkour community keeps expanding the way it is, then it shouldnt be long before the "world interest" level will be reached. im not sure what will happen then. maybe (hopefully not) parkour or freerunning on X-games. maybe it will just mean that meeting tracuers will be easier then. just my thoughts on the subject.
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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2006, 01:15:03 PM » |
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Eh i think parkour is a World intrest in a way. Just because it is so intresting. I do not however think it's something that all that many people know about. I hope it NEVER becomes associated with the X-games. And i hope it never even becomes competetive. But yeah, i can't wait until the french episode.
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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2006, 05:45:02 PM » |
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Eh i think parkour is a World intrest in a way. Just because it is so intresting. I do not however think it's something that all that many people know about. I hope it NEVER becomes associated with the X-games. And i hope it never even becomes competetive. But yeah, i can't wait until the french episode.
100% Agreed. When parkour is in every continent in the world (which it is, except for the obvious ones that it cant be on you smart a$$e$!  ), I believe it has reached the world interest level. And the moment someone turns this into a sport it will be commercialized. God forbid it ever reach that level. That will just invite in all the meat head, showoff, stuckup jerks that have a point to prove and do it not because they love it, but because they are so competitive they feel like they must beat people down in order to get any sort of joy out of it. |
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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2006, 05:56:01 PM » |
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Posted by: The Boom Collective
Quote from: CyanideSoda on Today at 01:15:03 PM
Eh i think parkour is a World intrest in a way. Just because it is so intresting. I do not however think it's something that all that many people know about. I hope it NEVER becomes associated with the X-games. And i hope it never even becomes competetive. But yeah, i can't wait until the french episode.
100% Agreed.
When parkour is in every continent in the world (which it is, except for the obvious ones that it cant be on you smart a$$e$! ), I believe it has reached the world interest level. And the moment someone turns this into a sport it will be commercialized. God forbid it ever reach that level. That will just invite in all the meat head, showoff, stuckup jerks that have a point to prove and do it not because they love it, but because they are so competitive they feel like they must beat people down in order to get any sort of joy out of it.
I really think that this is a good point so here it goes...my call to all traceurs. NEVER COMPETE Anyway back on this forums topic when will this be on?? |
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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2006, 06:24:41 PM » |
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Uhm .. always compete. the root of the word actually doesn't mean "against others" it means with them.
[Late Latin competere, to strive together, from Latin, to coincide, be suitable : com-, com- + petere, to seek; see pet- in Indo-European Roots.]
Competition is part of the key to getting better at parkour. Parkour was started from what Raymond Belle learned in Viet Nam at war, is war not competition? the methode naturale became popular when Hebert taught it to the French military, was it then not used for competition?
Is becoming more fit not a challenge, not a competition with yourself?
I'm sorry, I know that the parkour community at large is very openly anti-competition, but it is hypocritical at best.
Do you not go to jams and try to do things alongside others? just because nobody keeps (or cares about) the score doesn't mean that it's not competition.
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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2006, 06:37:46 PM » |
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I'm sorry if i sound mean, And please realize this is NOT for the sake of arguement. But i disagree with that statement. I spent my last jam (as with every other jam) bettering myself by watching how others do things. I do not compete with other people on any level. I strive only to better myself. I don't try and do what everyone else does, i find ways to do the same thing that are best for me. The only person it's ok to compete with is YOU.
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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2006, 06:39:00 PM » |
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You saw this coming, Mark.
The root of words, first of all, don't mean anything other than to a linguist. Words change. Meanings change. Everyone knows this. Language evolves and what a word means one day does not affect what it means another. To compete is to work toward pushing yourself ahead of others in some way... It is a game to weigh who is superior, at least in one singular instance of time at one event.
Competition with the self is not what we're talking about. Everyone should strive to become better than what they once were. This does not mean we should be competing with anyone else.
Raymond Belle did what he did in Vietnam to save his own life, not to destroy others. Hebertism was a means of learning to better the self and become the best "self" that was possible... The setting did not matter. Hebertism applied to more than just military training.
Competition is at its root a mode of propelling the self at the expense of others. Even friendly competition is the same, in some way. Parkour does not need competition. Traceurs do not WANT competition.
I will say this, though: competition is not the end of the world. Having a game of tag or whatnot.. friendly competition isn't going to spell the doom of Parkour. I just disagree very strongly with Mark here about "always compete."
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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2006, 06:42:44 PM » |
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No flaming bcause I see what you saying I think i was a little to extreme when i said never compete. I say now compete for the right reasons such as what m2 said (betterment of yourself and others) but stay away from the competition that boom was talking about (competing to show off or making yourself feel better) A balance I realized when i read that how it sounded and realized I was being a hypocrite because me and my friends will play games like tag, jailbreak, follow the leader, or a parkour version of SKATE or HORSE to train Also the show is on Sundays at 9 but i dont know which one will feature seb |
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« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2006, 06:44:29 PM » |
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The first four episodes probally won't feature parkour.
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« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2006, 07:00:09 PM » |
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Animus ... some great points in there. I'm glad at least someone here is thinking !!! here's where I agree with you ... root words, that was a cheapshot on my part, but my point is to look at all sides, to loko at competition with the self as well, because compete doesn't always means "against others" ... even in modern language it's used with the self very frequently. Now, where I disagree ... saying that Hebertism doesn't matter becuse of the setting is bull. It was used by the military, not to save lives, to kill people, to become more effective efficient killers. Countries do not go to war to save lives, Raymond Belle was not only there to run from the enemy. you then say competition at it's root .. what root? I gave the root words Anyway, you say that it is at the expense of others, yet then you go on to talk about the friendly comptetition that inevitably happens at 90% of gatherings, so in your own post you've used both sides of the argument ( a sign of true intelligence). I do not believe that competition means you push the other side down, I believe it can be a means of bringing everyone up. Lastly, would you say that competition, friendly, self, or otherwise is human nature? Oh, and cyanide - "And please realize this is NOT for the sake of arguement. But i disagree with that statement" ... youare saynig it for the sake of arguing, a form of competition where people defend their views. I think what you really mean is that you're not against me personally, you're simply presenting an opposing view, which really is 1/2 of what communication is all about, if we all agreed on everything and saw things the same way our language would need about 1/10 of the words it has |
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« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2006, 07:19:52 PM » |
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edited out, it didnt add anything to the convo
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« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2006, 07:40:37 PM » |
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Ok now i'm confused. Sorry if i worded things wrong. I think everyone here realizes by now that i have problems with that. My main point is i do not want to see parkour with official competitions. You know the kind where judges rule them. And i also don't think it's a good idea to base what you do off of other people, for the sake of competition. Anyways. Yeah, Nothing personal. I love you all.  |
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