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« on: November 06, 2009, 10:15:50 PM » |
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I was on crossfit. And it said. Where wuld u be if someone had told u to break parallel when squatting. Or to not waste your time with bicep curls.. R curls bad? Or ineffective? What is recommended for biceps?
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« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2009, 10:37:18 PM » |
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R curls bad? Or ineffective? What is recommended for biceps?
Depends. What do you want to accomplish with your biceps? Bicep curls isolate the biceps, targeting that one particular part of the muscular system. In general, isolations are inefficient, since you'll need to spend a lot of time on several exercises instead of much less time on only a few compound movements that train several muscular groups all at the same time. This is why you'll find many big, compound movements being touted here and on CF boards. That's not to say that isolations don't have their place. If you are looking to even out a muscular imbalance, i.e. if your triceps are massively stronger than your biceps, that may be one way to avoid any harm due to the imbalance. However, it's extraordinarily hard to get a muscular imbalance in the biceps / triceps system. You really need to work specifically at getting an imbalance to do so. The only other time that comes to mind when isolation work could help is for rehabilitation. From what I know (and I could be wrong on this one), biceps are one of the more cosmetic muscles. That is, big biceps don't make you much more functionally strong or fast. So it all comes down to this: what are your goals?
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« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2009, 09:00:13 PM » |
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Bicep curls isolate the biceps, targeting that one particular part of the muscular system. In general, isolations are inefficient, since you'll need to spend a lot of time on several exercises instead of much less time on only a few compound movements that train several muscular groups all at the same time. This is why you'll find many big, compound movements being touted here and on CF boards.
Not only that, but they also circumvent the central nervous system's relevant coordination to important compound movements. Meaning that if you only trained isolation movements, a person with individually weaker muscles than you who trained compound movements would be much better at actual athletic performance. For the most part, training isolations makes you good at isolations, and training compound movements makes you good at compound movements. The thing is, the only movements you'll ever use in sports or disciplines are compound movements.
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« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2009, 07:39:58 AM » |
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Yep yep. These guys just about got it. If you want to be big then bust out some bicep curls. But if your main focus is the functionality of your arms, then work on kipping pulls, muscle ups, rock climbing, etc.
And whats this about breaking parallel on squats? Was that a question?
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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2009, 10:42:29 AM » |
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And whats this about breaking parallel on squats? Was that a question?
I think he's asking our opinion on whether you should break parallel on squats. Anyway, I think I'm correct in saying that the people on this forum almost unanimously advocate going past parallel. So, yes, go ALL the way down, but make sure you keep good form all the way through or you'll end up with knee problems.
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« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2009, 11:42:11 AM » |
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I think he's asking our opinion on whether you should break parallel on squats.
Anyway, I think I'm correct in saying that the people on this forum almost unanimously advocate going past parallel. So, yes, go ALL the way down, but make sure you keep good form all the way through or you'll end up with knee problems.
You do this because it engages your hamstrings and glutes more at this range of motion.
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« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2009, 12:31:35 PM » |
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Focus on compound lifts, but there's nothing wrong with bicep curls. Just dont make that your entire workout. I love doing curls, skull crushers, etc. and ive seen results from them, but doing compound lifts is what you should start out with to build a good strength base.
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« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2009, 06:52:45 PM » |
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Focus on compound lifts, but there's nothing wrong with bicep curls. Just dont make that your entire workout. I love doing curls, skull crushers, etc. and ive seen results from them, but doing compound lifts is what you should start out with to build a good strength base.
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« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2009, 07:08:33 PM » |
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Yeah, after getting a good base of strength you could progress to isolations... or the more intense variations of bodyweight exercises. Both work, but I prefer the second notion.
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« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2009, 07:36:46 PM » |
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I read that you shouldn't worry about bicep curls until you can correctly complete ten pull-ups. A reason being that your bicep growth is also dependent on your back and shoulder development. Not sure if that's true or not.
Breaking the plane when you squat, I read that you need to be slow and controlled when going past this point. Again, not sure if that's true.
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« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2009, 12:22:22 PM » |
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I read that you shouldn't worry about bicep curls until you can correctly complete ten pull-ups. A reason being that your bicep growth is also dependent on your back and shoulder development. Not sure if that's true or not.
Breaking the plane when you squat, I read that you need to be slow and controlled when going past this point. Again, not sure if that's true.
10 pullups? Nah. Make that more like 3 sets of 5 pullups with half your bodyweight added. Maybe then it would be worthwhile for you to look into it, but like I said before, I still prefer compound or bodyweight exercises. I'm not sure what you mean by bicep development being dependent on back and shoulder development. Maybe in terms of avoiding muscular imbalances, but to the best of my knowledge, the back and shoulders aren't big antagonists to the biceps (shoulders maaaaaaaaybe... can someone clarify?) As for going past 90, once you're comfortable with the exercise and you have good form, do it at whatever speed you like. Keep it slow at the beginning so that you learn correct form and you start to build all the muscles required for ass-to-grass squatting that you didn't use when you squatted to parallel. Obviously, you always want to go slow on the negative portion of a weighted squat, but beyond these, there's no reason to go particularly slowly.
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« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2009, 08:08:30 PM » |
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Another thing to note about isolations... specifically the bicep curl.
By itself, it is somewhat (but not completely) worthless. Although, If you do a set of bicep curls and immediately follow it up with a compound exercise using the biceps (such as a chin up), it will work it a lot harder. Other muscles assist it in doing the same motion. It's similar to doing a set to failure, lower the weight, then do more reps... except not the same thing. I forgot what this method of training was called... Does anyone remember?
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« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2009, 08:42:15 PM » |
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Another thing to note about isolations... specifically the bicep curl.
By itself, it is somewhat (but not completely) worthless. Although, If you do a set of bicep curls and immediately follow it up with a compound exercise using the biceps (such as a chin up), it will work it a lot harder. Other muscles assist it in doing the same motion. It's similar to doing a set to failure, lower the weight, then do more reps... except not the same thing. I forgot what this method of training was called... Does anyone remember?
Drop setting? That's the wrong kind of training to do if you want muscles that are well-suited to parkour. Drop sets are most often used by bodybuilders, because they're thought to stimulate additional hypertrophy. Also, since they're so strenuous, they increase the risk of overtraining or injury.
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« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2009, 09:43:32 PM » |
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Don't forget that muscular growth is primarily a hormonal activity. You guys stated amazing reasons but you're forgetting to mention that compound movements stimulate a lot more of a hormonal response than isolations do.
Also, a common problem of doing deep squats: inflexible hamstrings will cause a posterior pelvic tilt or otherwise known as a butt tuck. This can compromise spinal integrity and put you at risk for injury, not to mention limit spinal stability and therefore make your squat less efficient, resulting in less weight being able to be used than could be (within safety), and therefore less results.
I have noticed a lot that many new lifters tend to allow their knees to knock, which is not only unsafe in and of itself, but can make it harder to achieve proper hip depth (below parallel) without having a tucking butt. You have to consciously push your knees outward/to the side very hard and keep them out for the entire movement. This will help ensure you're recruiting your adductors (inner thigh muscles) and help ensure you can keep your pelvis and spine in proper locked extension.
short story: shove your damn knees out, get below parallel, and don't let your ass dip.
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