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Jerald Donald Konkel, aka JDK
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« on: November 03, 2009, 08:45:54 PM » |
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I had a Idea...... if I wear Arm and leg weights for everything I do, and I mean EVERYTHING...... from work, to walking around the house, and for my primary use...... Parkour Training. Maybe I might get better results and build muscle ALOT Faster. I desperately upper body strength, my legs are strong but could be Improved also. So I looked online for something that I can wear, but won't get in the way or be too big, anything I do without them, I'll need to be able to do with them also. some just looked to bulky, and I just didn't like them. but I found two types of weights that I think that can go good with Parkour Training. the other three I don't know, I just linked them for the heck of it. and for your feedback on this topic. Tell me what you guys think, I am definitely thinking about getting them, but not in one paycheck cause they are kinda expensive..... http://www.sportsunlimitedinc.com/bodytogs-wearable-weights-arm-pair.htmlhttp://www.sportsunlimitedinc.com/bodytogs-wearable-weights-leg-pair.htmland these I'm not to sure if they would be good for Parkour, but if its crappy out and you just want to work on conditioning they seem good. http://www.power-systems.com/p-3326-shoe-irons-pair.aspxhttp://www.power-systems.com/p-2737-weighted-gloves.aspxhttp://www.power-systems.com/p-2532-versafit-vest.aspx
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Cameron Scott
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« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2009, 08:59:51 PM » |
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I'm pretty sure this has come up before. Do a search on weight vest and I think you'll find it.
I'll take a quick look too and repost if I find anything.
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« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2009, 09:10:10 PM » |
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Cameron Scott
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« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2009, 09:10:25 PM » |
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Below is the thread I was thinking about, but there are a bunch of others. I think the general consensus is that wearing a weight vest ALL THE TIME is not the best way to meet most goals. If you are not convinced then post some measurable goals and I'm sure you'll get plenty of feedback on much better ways to meet them. Training skills with weights has been straight up called bad, as well as running with weight vests and such. Kudos for trying to think of creative training methods, but I suggest you scrap this plan. http://www.americanparkour.com/smf/index.php/topic,19450.0.html
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Jerald Donald Konkel, aka JDK
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« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2009, 09:23:27 PM » |
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My Running form is pretty good..... and it wouldn't be like a cannon ball strapped to my arms and legs, I think they are just two pounds.
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Jerald Donald Konkel, aka JDK
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« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2009, 09:25:21 PM » |
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Below is the thread I was thinking about, but there are a bunch of others. I think the general consensus is that wearing a weight vest ALL THE TIME is not the best way to meet most goals. If you are not convinced then post some measurable goals and I'm sure you'll get plenty of feedback on much better ways to meet them. Training skills with weights has been straight up called bad, as well as running with weight vests and such. Kudos for trying to think of creative training methods, but I suggest you scrap this plan. http://www.americanparkour.com/smf/index.php/topic,19450.0.htmlyeah.... I agree, thats why I said I didn't think the weight vest would be a good idea, but what about the leg and arm weights, they don't have to be too heavy. and I think the style of them is great for parkour as they barely take up any room and don't weigh 50 pounds like some weight vests do. (Edit: and yeah..... sorry about the not searching for past topics and such, its just I don't like doing that cause it seems like I get better info if I start my own topic sometimes, and updated info too, sometimes things change.)
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« Last Edit: November 03, 2009, 09:29:44 PM by Jerald Donald Konkel JDK »
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Cameron Scott
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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2009, 08:38:05 AM » |
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This is my opinion, not based on anything other than my thoughts and experience (which of course are heavily influenced by these forums). So take it for what it's worth. But I don't think you're going to help yourself out too much, and possibly be counter-productive.
When your body puts on more weight think about where that goes. It is mostly in your torso and lessens the farther out you go. So your body will never have an extra 2 lbs on each wrist and ankle unless you are wearing weights, or you become extremely obese. In other words, you are in no way mimicking a natural body type that you plan to have. Because of that the muscles that develop in response to the weight are going to develop to move a 2+lb hand, which probably won't translate well to helping your natural body move naturally.
Now for the risks I can see, which again are not based on scientific findings or even anecdotal ones. Just like with a lever, weight that is farther out requires more force/strength to control. Hold a barbell in at your chest then hold it out at arms length. The latter is much harder. So even though 2lbs. may not seem like much it may be equivalent to much more, which may put far more stress on your joints than you realize. Also, if you don't compensate well for that weight with your balance then you might hurt yourself doing a vault or something. If you do compensate well then you run the risk of compromising your balance without the weights. Neither of those seem positive to me.
Now, if you really want to invest in something like this right now, a weight vest I think does have many good uses. Just not as something you wear during ALL activities. I have never used one so am not the best person to tell you how great or horrible they are.
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« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2009, 08:50:52 AM » |
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Sorry, real life does not work like DBZ where you can train with weights and get better.
If this actually worked you'd see the athletes who play sports at high levels do it. And yet there is no one doing it. So that should tell you something.
And weights on limbs are worse than weights on torso like Cameron said. If you are going to use weights in a workout (and not all the time which is totally fine) you'll want a vest.
I don't feel like getting into any explanations so you'll have to take my word or use the search button.
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« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2009, 09:01:31 AM » |
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This has been discussed several times in many threads involving "weight vests". Do a search.
In short, your body adjusts how its muscles are used with the amount of weight at is on the body. When you remove the weight the use of the muscles is altered to compensate for the weight and everything is out of whack, in most cases.
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Jerald Donald Konkel, aka JDK
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« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2009, 11:53:23 AM » |
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ok, now I see the problem.... thanks guys.
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« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2009, 01:20:58 PM » |
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The way I see it, the points of leverage and the center a gravity will all kinds of crazy. I really don't see it as all that beneficial.
Though, I've always thought you could get some sort of weighted full-body suit that proportionately placed the exact same amount of weight on every square inch of your body might work. Then you have to worry about mobility. Plus it would be hot. And really dumb looking. All in all, a not good idea.
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« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2009, 09:36:20 AM » |
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Though, I've always thought you could get some sort of weighted full-body suit that proportionately placed the exact same amount of weight on every square inch of your body might work. Then you have to worry about mobility. Plus it would be hot. And really dumb looking. All in all, a not good idea.
Generally speaking, the more complicated you make a workout program or method the less effective it is, overall.
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« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2009, 02:14:06 PM » |
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Though, I've always thought you could get some sort of weighted full-body suit that proportionately placed the exact same amount of weight on every square inch of your body might work. Then you have to worry about mobility. Plus it would be hot. And really dumb looking. All in all, a not good idea.
They pretty much have this. Not over every inch of your body, but loading more than 80% of it. It's called a barbell and high-bar position! 
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« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2009, 06:43:22 PM » |
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They pretty much have this. Not over every inch of your body, but loading more than 80% of it. It's called a barbell and high-bar position!  Oh snap!
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« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2009, 06:59:26 PM » |
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Sorry, real life does not work like DBZ where you can train with weights and get better.
If this actually worked you'd see the athletes who play sports at high levels do it. And yet there is no one doing it. So that should tell you something.
And weights on limbs are worse than weights on torso like Cameron said. If you are going to use weights in a workout (and not all the time which is totally fine) you'll want a vest.
I don't feel like getting into any explanations so you'll have to take my word or use the search button.
wait, so if i trained in a room with 10x gravity, it wouldn't be a good idea?
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« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2009, 07:43:00 PM » |
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wait, so if i trained in a room with 10x gravity, it wouldn't be a good idea?
For your sake you might want to start out with 2x, most of us aren't super saiyans. To roam off in a sort of theoretical talk... How would enhanced gravity training work. Would our bodies automatically adapt to become stronger just by doing every day tasks? It could be done in space via spinning. For safety's sake let's assume that we only amp it up to 1.1x Gs for starters. Then progress 10% thereafter every month.
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« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2009, 08:02:55 PM » |
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Hmmm... With gravity, I'd say the problem would be our organs wouldn't adapt to the weight after a certain point. I'd think any increased gravity would increase risk for all sorts of organ failure, especially the heart if you're doing anything strenuous. My small 2¢.
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Jerald Donald Konkel, aka JDK
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« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2009, 08:11:02 PM » |
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yeah, Our body's were designed to live on earth. now if you go and live on a simulated planet environment like Jupiter. where we would weigh alot more, Our bodys wouldn't handle it. at first........ but after centurys of adapting. we would eventually become accustomed to the gravity. Its like when Astronauts spend alot of time in space with 0 g's, they have to get used to it, and when they come back to earth they notice a difference. they become a little weaker.
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« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2009, 09:20:10 PM » |
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yeah, Our body's were designed to live on earth. now if you go and live on a simulated planet environment like Jupiter. where we would weigh alot more, Our bodys wouldn't handle it. at first........ but after centurys of adapting. we would eventually become accustomed to the gravity. Its like when Astronauts spend alot of time in space with 0 g's, they have to get used to it, and when they come back to earth they notice a difference. they become a little weaker.
Eh... there's a valid point somewhere in there, but that example is not quite correct. Adaptations would manifest after a while, assuming we somehow survived the conditions to reproduce through hundreds of generations (which definitely could NOT happen with the gravity of Jupiter, but I understand that was just an example). And the astronauts getting weaker isn't the same type of adaptation. Back before they knew that exercise could counteract the atrophying effects of zero gravity, astronauts who had spent relatively long periods in space didn't experience slight decreases in musculature and bone mass, it was severe and acute. In zero gravity, neither your muscles nor your bones have to bear even the slightest load, so your body just stops putting energy into maintaining them. That's something already programmed into human beings, whereas adapting over hundreds or more generations requires a change in genetic makeup. Exercise in increased gravity would be okay, so long as it were only exercise. The body is only made to handle a small range of conditions. If you were to live your whole life in increased gravity or unnaturally added weight, your bones and muscles would adapt to a point, but in the end would not be able to cope. (In the case of increased gravity, your organs would also be placed under increased stress, and they can't really adapt at all.)
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« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2009, 09:45:10 PM » |
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Eh... there's a valid point somewhere in there, but that example is not quite correct. Adaptations would manifest after a while, assuming we somehow survived the conditions to reproduce through hundreds of generations (which definitely could NOT happen with the gravity of Jupiter, but I understand that was just an example). And the astronauts getting weaker isn't the same type of adaptation. Back before they knew that exercise could counteract the atrophying effects of zero gravity, astronauts who had spent relatively long periods in space didn't experience slight decreases in musculature and bone mass, it was severe and acute. In zero gravity, neither your muscles nor your bones have to bear even the slightest load, so your body just stops putting energy into maintaining them. That's something already programmed into human beings, whereas adapting over hundreds or more generations requires a change in genetic makeup.
Exercise in increased gravity would be okay, so long as it were only exercise. The body is only made to handle a small range of conditions. If you were to live your whole life in increased gravity or unnaturally added weight, your bones and muscles would adapt to a point, but in the end would not be able to cope. (In the case of increased gravity, your organs would also be placed under increased stress, and they can't really adapt at all.)
Yeah, I was making just an very broad Generalization.............. I knew I was wrong somewhere in there, haha.
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