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« on: October 25, 2009, 10:46:14 PM »

hey guys im saying this because it is something that has really been weighing on me and some other traceurs from OK.  over the last year or two the pk/fr community has grown quite alot in Ok, but at the same time some of our most experienced traceurs have left the scene leaving pretty much just me to do all the dirty work. at first i kinda left with them and thought i could care less what all the new traceurs did because i was really happy with my training and i enjoy training alone most of all.  back in the day i used to give free technique lessons, i lead a seriously hardcore conditioning class twice a week, and OKPK had a big jam every Saturday and everyone pretty much was on the right track and progressing safe and strong.  now that most of those guys are gone (freakin military!) it seems like its just one big cluster f#ck of training and hangin out and makin calls and gettin texts from who the hell knows and i really feel like i have dropped the ball on spreading the true message of parkour and freerunning.  So with that said I think I should drop some knowledge that could just save you from a lot of trial and error.

First of all parkour is NOT extreme, its not about being cool, and its not even always about having fun.  Parkour and freerunning are disciplines. And to a traceur they should be taken seriously in a sense because if you are not strong enough to do the stuff you are doing, you will seriously injure your joints in the long run.  Plane and simple. Although parkour is fun 90% of the time, sometimes you really have to bust your ass and push through some intense conditioning to be strong enough to handle the impacts you are taking.  

If you haven’t noticed by now gymnasts are freakin amazing and do some crazy stuff that most people don’t even realize is physically possible.  However, you may also realize there aren’t too many gymnasts over the age of 35.  why? Their joints are fucked up from taking massive impacts over and over. And another thing you might notice is most gymnasts are stacked like freakin body builders and strong as piss.  So what does this say about us skinny, out of shape, couldn’t do 50 pushups if our life depended on it little traceurs?    It tells me that if I plan on messing with high impact movements like 9 foot precision jumps, flips, and big cat leaps that I better be one strong mother flower if I plan on lasting past the age of 30.  also, for those who don’t know the mottos behind pk/fr are “be strong to be useful” and “to be and to last”.

If you don’t believe me, believe the yamakasi. To train under the yamakasi (or any of the founders such as david belle, Sebastian foucan, the traceurs, ect…) you were not allowed to do any type of training other than strength training for your first year of training. If they caught you doing one single jump during that year… you were kicked out.   Now I realize this is pretty extreme and us Amaricanz are lazy and impatient, but it isn’t not too much to ask that every serious traceur/freerunner stick to a 50 50 ratio of training and conditioning. Meaning if you go out and jam with your friends 4 days a week, you better be busting your ass with those same friends 4 times a week with a conditioning routine.

Over the years I have noticed fazes that occur in almost every traceur as they progress. the first stage is the amazement stage where you find out about david belle and parkour on youtube and you rediscover what you think is possible.  The second stage is where everything goes wrong because most noobs jump right in and try to mimic what they see the experiences traceurs doing because they don’t realize how much conditioning and training the experienced traceurs have under their belts. And the third stage is the most important stage of all because it’s the stage that makes or breaks them as true or fake traceurs.  It’s the stage when the noobs realize they are not as good as they think they are and there is something different between them and the traceurs they are trying to mimic ( that something is strength and technique or power and control as some call it). This stage usually hits about 6 months to a year into training.  If the noob goes one way he will become strong and smart and talented, if they go the other… they get hurt or they quit after they learn a few semi-impressive tricks.  

So long speech short, if you want to become a true and talented traceur your going to have to work for it. ALL your joints need to be very strong and stable.  Your technique needs to be as near perfect as you can make it.  You should also always strive to stay as light and quiet on your feet as possible.  just a rule of thumb for your first year or two: if you can’t do it quietly and with good technique, you shouldn’t do it at all because it is going to wear on your joints. Over time this wearing will really add up.

Here are a couple videos:

pk gen's warm up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9Eh2kLwA7I

uf vol. 3:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=273808852434081205&q=stephane+vigroux&total=26&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=4#

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X15VRzQHq2U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU57cuw86cA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zkz-XyLYKE&feature=fvw


p.s. always warm up before your train and stretch after your done.  always!
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« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2009, 12:05:50 AM »

i love this thread. its funny cause when u said most kid just see it and are amazed and go out and jump off sh!t. the funny thing is the first time i saw it... me and my cousin went down the road and jumped off a roof... lol. but 2 years later i became more interested into the discipline and did alot of research. and noticed that parkour and freerunning isnt just about running around and jumpin off buildings. and i despise people who think it is that like myself 2 years before. and as for the EXPLOSION of parkour and freerunning now begins to expand and get noticed it seems the difference of the two has been lost. Mtv completely bombed the ultimate parkour challenge... considering only the second stage was parkour. everyone needs to get the difference straight. and now that it is being more displayed in movies and tv shows... there are going to be those kids who think oh... if i jump off the roof im a freerunner or whatever. but of coarse they will all die off and only the true disciplined traceures and freerunners will remain who have trained hours on end and who actually understand the discipline. either way i will still remain devoted to training and begin to condition more and more since i would like to be doing this far after my 30th birthday. sure i have only been training for 4-5 months but i know that i will continue to follow this discipline for years to come.
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« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2009, 11:45:50 AM »

firs vid sums it up pretty well... good example chris. i had never watched that one before good training techniques for everyone in there! Wink
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« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2009, 03:07:29 PM »

Hey thanks for the vids chris. I know i dont condention like that in the first vid but i do push ups and run around a pond at uco 2 times. Not much and needs to inprove
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« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2009, 03:39:20 PM »

Danka danka danka!!
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« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2009, 08:46:04 PM »

this is great chris Smiley ive been doing bodyweight training for a few months but we neglect a good warmup quite often. jesse and i did about a half hour warmup today and we took it really easy, were gonna start doing that everytime we train! Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2009, 01:30:27 PM »

Much appreciated.

Although I will most likly never reach the calibre of most trecuers, I guess having the satisfaction of knowing you can jump a three foot wall also helps to keep a person safe.

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« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2009, 03:15:51 PM »

why won tyou reach the caliber of most traceurs? with that attitude you never will! know your limits, but stay right at the edge and youll slowly expand them  Grin
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« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2009, 11:36:29 PM »

He's either afraid hes too old (which your not lol) or just prefers a light form of Parkour, rather than what Chris can do lol.

I personally have finally taken up condition down here, following the same schedule. Mondays = upper body, Wednesday = lower body, Friday & Saturday = Practice sessions. It feels good Cheesy I just wish the brick out here wasn't so coarse, tears your hands up after a while... gotta find my biking gloves that I use for the brick out here...
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« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2009, 06:14:28 AM »

gloves are for noobs.  the whole idea behind parkour it to adapt your body to your obstacles.   your hand will get tougher
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« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2009, 07:35:36 AM »

True, but I am still using gloves right now. I play guitar as well, and the first few times i went out, I ripped my hands to shreads. Not to pleased about getting blood on my guitar strings!
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« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2009, 09:25:43 AM »

QUOTE:
"Now I realize this is pretty extreme and us Amaricanz are lazy and impatient, but it isn’t not too much to ask that every serious traceur/freerunner stick to a 50 50 ratio of training and conditioning."

We shouldn't stop here and accept that we are lazy and impatient.  As Americans, we want instant success.  By no means am I arguing with you, in fact, I am agreeing and taking it a step further.  I just had this discussion with one of my training buddies about how hard we see people condition overseas, but all that is mainstream in America is flash and wow.  Even though it 'seems' like an impossible task to reverse this idea that most Americans have, it starts with not accepting that we can do it differently from the real traceurs.  We need to stop looking at the years people have trained for and think that we need to 'catch up'.  (I am going to use the word...)  We CAN'T catch up, nor should we.  Parkour development comes from time, experience, and a strong foundation.  We SHOULD ENJOY the journey of training, not rush through it to get to the top, because the top will only be as strong as the base you built it on.
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« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2009, 09:32:46 AM »

Wanna post this in General? I think everyone here could benefit from reading it.
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« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2009, 10:25:20 AM »

  We SHOULD ENJOY the journey of training, not rush through it to get to the top, because the top will only be as strong as the base you built it on.

damn fine words right there! 
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« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2009, 12:42:44 PM »

Although my hands have many calluses, this brick is something else. There is normal brick, and there is the brick we have. It has little brick bubbles all over it that cut into your skin after about 20 minutes of pressure. If we had normal concrete on campus, that would be a miracle lol.

I like the idea of training, being isolated from the rest of the world (in my head lol) and just conditioning, knowing that each day makes you that much stronger, that much more knowledgeable of your limits and that much more sure that you can push them further.

I wish I was still living in OKC, Bricktown has sooooo many more spots to condition, none of this knife-like brick.
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« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2009, 10:30:55 PM »

I have almost the same stucko type brick stuff where I have been training at. My knees can tell you what my hands can't.
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« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2009, 10:49:04 PM »

im so stealing this "We SHOULD ENJOY the journey of training, not rush through it to get to the top, because the top will only be as strong as the base you built it on."
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« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2009, 11:36:03 AM »

Thanks dude. Smiley
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« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2009, 11:41:04 AM »

ok so with the recent bs going on i have decided to restate what i have been trying to tell everyone.  this is what rafe, a very smart and tallented traceur whom i respect,  has said on the subject of daniel ilabaca's new video 'choose not to fall'. 
Look if you want to be good at something you have to do hard stuff, you have to do stuff that is not fun, that does not make you happy when you do it only after thats reality. To quote david Belle "train while crying and you will win while laughing." Its through hard work through diligent practice that we progress and progression and growth are the keys to long term happiness and self worth

Let take an an imaginary beginner athlete call him joe average, Joe average is 18 he is 5"10 and weighs 150 pounds, he is 18 percent bodyfat, has an 18 inch vertical jump and 7 foot broad jump, he can squat 95 pounds, do one pull up and bench press 75 pounds. He has inhibited glutes and hamstrings, his knee collapse medially, and he rounds his back when he squats or lands.

He tries out a couple sports because his freinds are into them one is parkour, one is weightraining.

He goes out to do some parkour, he runs a little bit speed if fun but nobody pushes him to run to the point he actually gets tired so its fun, he takes a drop he didn't think he could do doesn't feel any pain has huge rush of adrenaline and thinks wow this is fun.

He goes and tries weightlifting, trying to figure out how do all the techniques is hard his body isn't mobile enough to get in the right positions, its tedious when he finally gets to some descent weight its really hard he sweats allot he can't keep the theory straight about reps or sets or what he is trying to achieve.

So lets assume option one he is like most lazy people and decides to just do parkour cause it makes him happy, he avoids any hard or smart training cause you know thats not easy and doesn't make him happy.  In two years he is still 150 though he is down to 15 percent bodyfat, his knee's still collapse medially, he still rounds his back, his glutes and hams are still inhibited. The small amount of extra muscle and some neurological gains allow him to now do 10 pull ups, he could probably bench press 150 pounds now, and he could do a pistol on either leg except he has Knee pain. His vert is 22 inches and he can broad jump 8 feet.  Like most deconditioned kids who try to do a high impact activity on concrete with no strength training he has bad patello femoral syndrome, he has back pain from rounded back landings, and he has sprained his ankle and broke his collar bone from bad landings and trips. He will never come close to being a good athlete on the path he is on and is mostly giving up on parkour because of his bad knee's he figures its just bad genes.

Assume he takes option two, in 6 weeks he fixes his biomechanical errors, adds 100 pounds to his squat, 4 inches to his vertical leap,  a half a foot to his broad jump, 50 pounds to his bench press, and 9 reps on pull ups and 15 pounds of lean body mass while losing 3 percent bodyfat. After two years he weighs 185 pounds at 12 percent body fat he squats 315, benches 225, can do a pull ups with 70 extra pounds, and has vertical leap of 28 ich and standing broad jump of 9 feet. He doesn't know how to vault, underbar or climb but he is in the physical condition to quickly learn any sport quickly. He has also never suffered more then minor groin pull and a sore back from training.

Which do you think is happier about his training. The guy who is still weak and now injured who has some cool skills that he could do if he wasn't in pain or the guy who is strong, healthy and easily ready to pick up any sport people challenge him with.

This is generalized story but its absolutely based on the reality of working with both groups of athletes in depth for the last 3 years. I see guys with two years of solid lifting training  and they are damn good athletes who are healthy and strong, guys who have trained parkour for 2 years with no strength training are biomechanical messes with chronic and acute injury problems who are still weak and skinny.

Take your pick short term ease and happiness at what cost or long term growth and progress.



i would strongly advise every traceur/freerunner i know to watch this video then read every single post that follows, especially the ones who think they are good. http://www.americanparkour.com/smf/index.php/topic,22479.0.html
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« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2009, 12:21:15 PM »

oh and a nother thread for you to read if you are serous about pk/fr
http://www.americanparkour.com/smf/index.php/topic,22368.0.html
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