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« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2006, 05:08:26 PM »

Um...yeah
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« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2006, 06:51:15 PM »

I didn't know about those arguments, and don't really care. Good point's by Danno in particular but really! Stop worrying and go practise the parkour you know is right.
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« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2006, 01:39:49 PM »

Steez, excellent point. There is no "right" and "wrong" so much as there is a huge myriad of opposing opinions and viewpoints clashing at all times. I've always love the quote "The true sign of intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas and still function".
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« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2006, 02:21:22 PM »

I'm actually a member over on parkour.net so I had seen this post awhile ago.  Even though this stuff is worth knowing about, the activity we do, that we enjoy, running over things, getting from point A to point B, its all still there.  I'm going to go home and work out today knowing full well David Belle has labled parkour as sport.


The people that are getting their worlds rocked right now are the ones that take parkour too seriously.  By that I mean not seriously training hard and wanting to get better, but taking parkour and trying to transform it into some quasi-religious spiritual thing when its not.  David has openly admitted that it isn't a complete discipline but people follow it anyway beliving that theres some sort of life truth in living a simple life and getting from point A to point B.  Now David has up and turned their religion into a sport.  How dare he!  Seriously, I respect David because he's doing whats best for himself and we should follow his example by doing whats best for ourselves too,  which right now, is doing what we have been doing and practicing the old parkour.
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« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2006, 02:35:52 PM »

I'm actually a member over on parkour.net so I had seen this post awhile ago.  Even though this stuff is worth knowing about, the activity we do, that we enjoy, running over things, getting from point A to point B, its all still there.  I'm going to go home and work out today knowing full well David Belle has labled parkour as sport.


The people that are getting their worlds rocked right now are the ones that take parkour too seriously.  By that I mean not seriously training hard and wanting to get better, but taking parkour and trying to transform it into some quasi-religious spiritual thing when its not.  David has openly admitted that it isn't a complete discipline but people follow it anyway beliving that theres some sort of life truth in living a simple life and getting from point A to point B.  Now David has up and turned their religion into a sport.  How dare he!  Seriously, I respect David because he's doing whats best for himself and we should follow his example by doing whats best for ourselves too,  which right now, is doing what we have been doing and practicing the old parkour.

He didn't really call it a sport.  And he means "not a complete discipline' by the fact that no one is supposed to define it.  You're simply supposed to do it.  Train for yourself.  Don't worry about what others say or do because it does not affect you or your Parkour.  The discipline is your own.  That's what he meant.
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« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2006, 08:12:33 PM »

Just wanna quote a few passages to bolster my statement.  If you haven't read all 5 pages of the thread in question, then you should do so.



    Hebertiste wrote:
    Parkour anyways is turning into a sport, officially.

another poster wrote:
You have knoledge that David is ok with makeing parkour a sport?

To which Herbertiste replies:

Yes

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« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2006, 09:03:35 PM »

this kinda reminds me of an article in a maxium i read acouple months ago... the greatest thing i have ever read. sometimes people need things to make them realize other things in their life, sometime you get caught in some sort of rut and blinded until someone or something removes the covers from your eyes.

a guy, who in highschool was a star track runner and played all kinds of sports, got a desk job, he worked 40-50 hours a week in a cubical. gained like 100lbs after graduated highschool going to college and getting this job. one day he just happened to watch the movie fight club and something clicked.... his life was passing before him as he just sat at that desk, then came home, watched tv and went to sleep. the next day after watching the movie he called in sick and went to a gym. he began leaving work early to run and swim and better himself. shorty after he quit his 40k job to become a carpenter. worked less hours and learned a new skill he became proud of. he dropped the weight and got back in shape. one of my favorite quotes (not word for word, im doing it from memory) was "its human nature, to lift heavy things, to try and run down a gazelle, and swim long distances."


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"this is your life, and its ending one minute at a time."
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« Reply #22 on: June 21, 2006, 09:06:41 PM »

Just wanna quote a few passages to bolster my statement.  If you haven't read all 5 pages of the thread in question, then you should do so.



    Hebertiste wrote:
    Parkour anyways is turning into a sport, officially.

another poster wrote:
You have knoledge that David is ok with makeing parkour a sport?

To which Herbertiste replies:

Yes



And Belle also said that it's imperative that we get used to the idea that the word "Parkour" may no longer be attached to the spirit of what we do.
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« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2006, 04:42:59 AM »

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And he means "not a complete discipline' by the fact that no one is supposed to define it

I totally disgaree with that. David Also does gymnastics, acrobatics, and martial arts (I'm sure among other things).

By "not a complete discipline" I think he means "not a complete discipline". In that if all you did was practice movement from A to B, then all you would be good at is getting somewhere fast. That's not nearly complete, look at methode naturalle, look at reading, at life safety skills, at emt and first responder skills, look at olympic weightlifting, grappling, negotiation. I've said many times before, what good is getting somewhere fast if you're not prepared to be useful when you get there?

What's really disturing to me is all the hypocrites clilngin tightly to David's words and saying that you should be out practicing, not clinging tightly to David's words. Yes, there are things we can learn from him, he is a great and accomplished human being in certain aspects, in others there are people far more accomplished, this is natural, especially when one is a pioneer in a certain field. Gymnasts are way better at gymnastics. I'm guessing a dedicated 10 years martial artist is generally more skilled and knowledgable in martial arts than he is. A doctor is better trained in paramedic skills than he is. And That's all OK.

In my opinion, it is best not to try to become like David, or to "follow" David, but instead try to use what he has learrned to lead your own direction, your own path.
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« Reply #24 on: June 22, 2006, 11:29:26 AM »

I agree with the statment about David saying that parkour may not be attatched to the spirit of what we do.  Thats why I call it The Art of Displacement taken from the french, Le art du deplacement.  That encompasses parkour, free running, tricking, the yamasaki and everything inbetween.
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« Reply #25 on: June 22, 2006, 02:15:40 PM »

I agree with the statment about David saying that parkour may not be attatched to the spirit of what we do.  Thats why I call it The Art of Displacement taken from the french, Le art du deplacement.  That encompasses parkour, free running, tricking, the yamasaki and everything inbetween.

L'art du deplacement has certain things attached to it, too.  I've since just begun to decide that it needs no name...  It's the "spirit."  And that's all it needs to be.

And LoL to "Yamasaki".  Sounds like some weird Japanese beer.  (Just in case you think I'm a weirdo and can't figure out what I"m laughing at, it's cause the group's name is "Yamakasi".)
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