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Hi you guys! I have not been doing Parkour for too long but I am an aspiring individual and I take it VERY SERIOUSLY! (Unfortunately, I get teased at school a lot because I am know as "the kid who jumps over things"...  ) Anyhow, let me pinpoint some of my problems! I am also going to come out with a video very soon and post it up so maybe people can help me out! Ok, I basically hit the ground and roll diagonally like I am supposed to across my right shoulder. Unfortunately, my shoulder hurts REALLY bad and I do not notice any pressure reduced on my feet. I am just landing and then rolling... *I will come with the videos soon* Ok. I can tic tac pretty far. I visualize my target, hit it, push off with my toes and go flying smoothly. My problem is this is about 50% of the time. The other part I slip against the wall and hurt myself. With my two foot tic tac, I am not sure what to do. I can feel my foot I do not push off with plant on the wall, but then I slip again! What could I possibly be doing wrong?  Their is a pic of me pushing off from the right wall with one foot, and hitting the other... notice my position... if needed I can throw my film onto sony vegas and take pictures of each individual step then modify this post Ok I could really use the help you guys! I have so many questions and anybody I try to talk to on AIM here seems to neglect me  Thanks! ~Josh |
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« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2008, 10:08:05 PM » |
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Hey man, keep up the good work! Don't let those jerks get you down, you're doing what you love, and you're gonna fly...
It's hard to say what's up without video, but I'll do my best...with the rolling, watch the pros 10 million times. When landing, land on your toes, with your weight forward. Compress down a bit to absorb some of the initial shock, then resist that compression and 'fall/spring' forward. Place your hands on the ground, and use them to guide your body over into a roll, where the fleshy part on the back of your shoulder contacts first. Perhaps your just dropping onto the ground into the roll? Now, I'm not advocating jumping off of high things, but when you're jumping off of something and landing into a roll, you HAVE to have forward momentum. You can't just stop on the edge of a ledge, drop straight down, and expect a smooth roll. You need to LEAP out from the ledge (think broad jump). You could practice this by leaping off of the bottom stair of a stair case, and landing in a roll...leap out FAR!!! You should, of course, also be able to do a perfect roll on the ground before you start taking it from heights. To practice, find a nice flat grassy spot, and jog around slowly, dropping into a roll without breaking your momentum. once that's nice and smooth, start moving faster! Once you can sprint->roll->sprint, try a dive roll from a jog (get a jog, dive out like a kong, catch your hands on the ground and guide into a roll)...a dive roll from a sprint? How about a freaking huge dive-roll over a giant picnic table! Just like everything else, start small, and build on the basics.
With the tacs, it sounds like you know what's up...you can do it half the time! Practice, practice, pratice...the more times you do it, the more times you'll do it right. The more times you do it right, the better your body will remember how (muscle memory, yay!), and the more consistent you'll get! It just takes hard work and determination. When performing the tacs, keep physics in mind. The more perpendicular to the wall you push, the more traction you'll have. Think of pushing INTO the wall. If you push across the wall you're foot's just gonna slide! Also, 'throwing' your arms and shoulders the direction you want to go can guide your momentum a huge amount...you don't HAVE to get a huge push off the wall if your body is already moving in the right direction.
Hope this helps!
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« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2008, 04:53:02 AM » |
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Hey man, keep up the good work! Don't let those jerks get you down, you're doing what you love, and you're gonna fly...
It's hard to say what's up without video, but I'll do my best...with the rolling, watch the pros 10 million times. When landing, land on your toes, with your weight forward. Compress down a bit to absorb some of the initial shock, then resist that compression and 'fall/spring' forward. Place your hands on the ground, and use them to guide your body over into a roll, where the fleshy part on the back of your shoulder contacts first. Perhaps your just dropping onto the ground into the roll? Now, I'm not advocating jumping off of high things, but when you're jumping off of something and landing into a roll, you HAVE to have forward momentum. You can't just stop on the edge of a ledge, drop straight down, and expect a smooth roll. You need to LEAP out from the ledge (think broad jump). You could practice this by leaping off of the bottom stair of a stair case, and landing in a roll...leap out FAR!!! You should, of course, also be able to do a perfect roll on the ground before you start taking it from heights. To practice, find a nice flat grassy spot, and jog around slowly, dropping into a roll without breaking your momentum. once that's nice and smooth, start moving faster! Once you can sprint->roll->sprint, try a dive roll from a jog (get a jog, dive out like a kong, catch your hands on the ground and guide into a roll)...a dive roll from a sprint? How about a freaking huge dive-roll over a giant picnic table! Just like everything else, start small, and build on the basics.
With the tacs, it sounds like you know what's up...you can do it half the time! Practice, practice, pratice...the more times you do it, the more times you'll do it right. The more times you do it right, the better your body will remember how (muscle memory, yay!), and the more consistent you'll get! It just takes hard work and determination. When performing the tacs, keep physics in mind. The more perpendicular to the wall you push, the more traction you'll have. Think of pushing INTO the wall. If you push across the wall you're foot's just gonna slide! Also, 'throwing' your arms and shoulders the direction you want to go can guide your momentum a huge amount...you don't HAVE to get a huge push off the wall if your body is already moving in the right direction.
Hope this helps!
Thanks dude! You helped me with my roll because I do not think I am gaining enough momentum, just hitting the ground and rolling!  I sometimes usually just tuck one arm to my chest and roll, could that effect anything? I have seen TONS of videos lately and I see what you are talking about when they put their hands down! Ok I am going to practice the tic-tacs more! It's people like you who motivate me to keep going and to keep trying, so thank you! Hopefully I can get in touch with you on AIM sometime!  |
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« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2008, 08:48:22 AM » |
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Hi you guys! I have not been doing Parkour for too long but I am an aspiring individual and I take it VERY SERIOUSLY! (Unfortunately, I get made fun of at school a lot because I am know as "the kid who jumps over things"... ) Anyhow, let me pinpoint some of my problems! I am also going to come out with a video very soon and post it up so maybe people can help me out! Ok, I basically hit the ground and roll diagonally like I am supposed to across my right shoulder. Unfortunately, my shoulder hurts REALLY bad and I do not notice any pressure reduced on my feet. I am just landing and then rolling... *I will come with the videos soon* Ok. I can tic tac pretty far. I visualize my target, hit it, push off with my toes and go flying smoothly. My problem is this is about 50% of the time. The other part I slip against the wall and hurt myself. With my two foot tic tac, I am not sure what to do. I can feel my foot I do not push off with plant on the wall, but then I slip again! What could I possibly be doing wrong? Their is a pic of me pushing off from the right wall with one foot, and hitting the other... notice my position... if needed I can throw my film onto sony vegas and take pictures of each individual step then modify this post Ok I could really use the help you guys! I have so many questions and anybody I try to talk to on AIM here seems to neglect me Thanks! ~Josh okay don let the jerks make yu feel bad and ablout the roll i had that prob also you are probably rolling slamming the front of youre shoulder as first point of contact its more on the back of youre shoulder than front were that muscle is this way the muscle takes away the pressure and it wont hurt also the tic tac might be the shoes |
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« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2008, 09:55:31 AM » |
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For the roll it could very well be you aren't absorbing enough before you get to your shoulder, either with the legs a bit when you land before the roll, or with your arms that are basically start of the actual roll. Or you could just be slamming your shoulder into the ground and not absorbing at all, video would help a bit more as for constructive criticism, I'd say take it slower, from a crouch or on one knee (since you are going right it will help to be have the left knee on the ground so you don't cross yourself up) and just try and take it slow, I usually tell people that they want to feel constant contact from the hand all the way to the opposite hip when they go to roll.
As for Tacs it seems like you may be too close to the wall if you are slipping off though shoes and surface can also change things a bit. Main thing is the approach I usually say be far enough so that when you go to tac of the wall you have to hop a bit but no so much that by the time you get to the wall you've already reached the apex of your jump. I also generally put my foot about hip height (varies slightly depending on speed,foot placement, etc.)
For what you are doing on the wall with the two steps, at least how it seems is you are too close to the wall as well as just doing the whole two steps things on two perpendicular walls is kind of iffy as far as how useful it is, what are you trying to accomplish with multiple steps? Most I've ever mustered that still felt useful was just 3 and that was on a flat wall and all I can suggest is to just keep your momentum going up, if you catch yourself before the apex of the previous jump or step then you can generally get a bit more height. Hope that helps, and though technique can help a lot working on general strength and flexibility are always going to have positive gains. Hope this helps
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« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2008, 01:38:58 PM » |
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I used to have the same problem with my foot slipping on tic-tacs. The problem was that I wasn't putting my foot on the wall at the right angle, and the result was that I didn't get any traction on the wall, and you how the ends up. So why your foot is slipping is probably because you're not getting your foot up high enough on the wall. You want your leg to be just about perpendicular to the wall when your foot hits the wall. When I started doing that, my problem was solved.
As for the two step tic-tac, don't worry about it right now. Get your 1 foot tic-tacs down until you NEVER get them wrong, then move on. At that point, you'll probably get them intuitively.
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« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2008, 01:52:09 PM » |
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Unfortunately, I get made fun of at school a lot because I am know as "the kid who jumps over things"... You take offense to that? I would take it as a compliment! |
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« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2008, 02:05:19 PM » |
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Ok thanks everyone! I am going to try these techniques out as soon as it stops snowing and raining here  I guess I could take that as a compliment couldn't I?  ! It does not bother me that much, because at the end of the day I am who I am and I know what I want to do, I guess it's just a little frustrating sometimes! Ah well, I am a Junior, 2 more years and I am out of High School! |
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« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2008, 02:21:24 PM » |
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« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2008, 02:36:04 PM » |
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Your body position and lines look fine! But, do your hands ever touch the ground? Or do you just tuck them to your body and slam your back into the ground? You should actually be placing them on the ground and slowing down your momentum as you GUIDE yourself onto the sweet spot on your shoulder.
Also, after you spot your hand placement, tuck your chin down to your chest. Not only will this get your head out of the way of the ground, but it will also naturally curve your spine outward like a ball, which will smooth out the roll.
When rolling over the right shoulder, also make sure that you open up with your right foot forward. Your pic with your left foot forward is the 'less efficient' way to roll (check out Demons tutorials). Always practice it the way you want to perform it...
Keep training!
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« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2008, 02:37:29 PM » |
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Right off the bat, it looks like you could be reaching out further forward with your hands. When I started working on the roll I started from a crouch, and reached out as far in front of me as I comfortably could when rolling. It's a little nerve racking if you start from a standing position, but crouching is a nice way to work up to it.
Also, I'd like to see a shot of your position between those last two frames. Preferrably something right about when your hip is touching the ground.
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« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2008, 02:48:47 PM » |
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Right off the bat, it looks like you could be reaching out further forward with your hands. When I started working on the roll I started from a crouch, and reached out as far in front of me as I comfortably could when rolling. It's a little nerve racking if you start from a standing position, but crouching is a nice way to work up to it.
Also, I'd like to see a shot of your position between those last two frames. Preferrably something right about when your hip is touching the ground.
Ok here you go! 1 2I also don't just kinda throw my hands into my chest and I do not tuck my chin down as much either! Maybe that could be a problem! |
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« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2008, 03:01:41 PM » |
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Awesome, thanks. I don't know if it's EXACTLY the same for every person, but I see you're coming down pretty much right on your butt check. For me, I found that really emphasizing the roll onto my side helped smooth the whole motion out a lot. Instead of visualizing a roll onto the back on my hip, I now try to visualize a roll onto the side of my hip, and that's helped me a lot. Looking at these other pictures, I also noticed that your foot placement seems to be correct. That last shot in the earlier series was sort of dark/blurry around your ankles, and it was hard to tell exactly what your feet were doing. I think you've got a good foundation going, you just need to keep practicing, and take baby steps until you can comfortably do a dive roll from a standing position on a manufactured floor. Then you should stop, because you'll be further along than me. |
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« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2008, 03:05:14 PM » |
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Awesome, thanks. I don't know if it's EXACTLY the same for every person, but I see you're coming down pretty much right on your butt check. For me, I found that really emphasizing the roll onto my side helped smooth the whole motion out a lot. Instead of visualizing a roll onto the back on my hip, I now try to visualize a roll onto the side of my hip, and that's helped me a lot. Looking at these other pictures, I also noticed that your foot placement seems to be correct. That last shot in the earlier series was sort of dark/blurry around your ankles, and it was hard to tell exactly what your feet were doing. I think you've got a good foundation going, you just need to keep practicing, and take baby steps until you can comfortably do a dive roll from a standing position on a manufactured floor. Then you should stop, because you'll be further along than me. Ok thanks man I really appreciate it! +1 REP to you as well for all the help! I am going to keep practicing, but I don't think I can get better than you JUST YET! ONE LAST QUESTION I HAVE BEEN WONDERING...What exactly is the roll supposed to do? Does it simply transfer pain or does it make it where you can not feel anything? I am a little unfamiliar of what I should be feeling and not feeling. I am a little guy with not a lot of muscle and I have rolled on concrete many of times, but I am just wondering if my shoulder hurts so bad because I am so little or what (Although, I can lift my own body weight and pull myself up easily, so I guess that is an advantage -I also have a 2 pack LOL  - |
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« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2008, 03:14:26 PM » |
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I just wanted to emphasize, in case I was unclear...you DO want your hands to contact the ground, and guide your weight over onto the sweet spot. you DON'T want to tuck your hands in to your chest too quick and slam your back onto the ground.
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