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« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2008, 09:55:44 AM » |
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So how do you go about a full training in only 2 or 3 hours? I guess if I ever got to train with PK Gen. I would find out.
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« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2008, 02:10:41 PM » |
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it helps to have everything in mind that you want to do before you go out to train. also don't spend too much time resting between sets only about 60 to 90 seconds if not less. you can squeez in alot of different exercises this way.
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"Be like water making its way through cracks. Do not be assertive, but adjust to the object, and you shall find a way around or through it." - Bruce Lee if you don't enjoy training alone, your training for the wrong reasons. www.oklahomaparkour.tk
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« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2008, 08:26:12 PM » |
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I considered that, but I still just don't feel like that I can accomplish that much in only a short amount of time. I guess a solid hour of heavy conditioning and then very well planned out technique training afterwards would suffice. Though I assume training with PK Gen would show me how it's done!
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« Reply #18 on: October 11, 2008, 11:36:51 PM » |
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I considered that, but I still just don't feel like that I can accomplish that much in only a short amount of time. I guess a solid hour of heavy conditioning and then very well planned out technique training afterwards would suffice. Though I assume training with PK Gen would show me how it's done!
Almost everything you do in their classes is conditioning. One class when I was there went something like this... - Run for 20 or so - 3 x 1 muscle up - 3 x 2 muscle up - jumping over a 3.5 foot fence 4 x 10, hold a squat for a minute, then 5 x 10 - 3 x 3 muscle up - QM, and gap traversing drill (a ~5 foot gap between low walls, you put hand on one, and feet on another and move down the wall, then QM back around the wall) - Movement circuit that included a turn vault/climb up on a wall, and a dyno - Movement circuit that included taking a 5 foot drop on concrete, and a cat leap - Dynos (forget how many) - The drill Forrest does at the beginning of this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kPWUY4wsFA (1 time, rest, then 2 consecutive times) (Just in case there is confusion, after every drill you run directly to the next one.) I don't think I'm forgetting anything, and that took a little over two hours. It was just about the hardest I've ever been pushed.
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« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2008, 06:56:20 AM » |
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you lucky duck!!  ^ and shae, in okc we do conditioning and technical training on sepperate days so we can spend more time on each. also its not he best idea to do technical training after condition because you might... should be too tired to perform really technical movements.
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« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2008, 08:42:57 AM » |
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I have heard all about Forrest legendary warm-ups and I'm really looking forward to partaking in one when I get the opportunity to train with PK Gen. I also know the emphasis they put on conditioning, but if that's the kinda class they put you through, then I understand how 2 or 3 hours is enough.
I personally think I make conditioning a big part of my training, but that was like 80% conditioning! I'll keep that in mind.
Chris- I get what you mean, but wouldn't you say it would be important to move even after you body is weary? It takes focus, but training like that sometimes can create a whole new challenge.
Were you at the Texas National Jam? You face in the picture looks familiar. Not the monkey though haha
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« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2008, 09:38:25 AM » |
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ya i was there. hmm i guess you just never saw me from my left side?  i would have to dissagree though. technical training on fatigued muscle is dangerous. your muscles will be weaker right after conditioning and you would risk falling but more likely an overtraining injury. if you insist on doing both in the same day(not the best idea) then start with technical training then move on to conditioning. i must warn you though this is setting your self up for overtraining syndrom you would be training almost four or five hours a day... its possible, but i wouldn't rush into it.
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« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2008, 09:57:04 AM » |
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Please note guys, that yes, PK Gen are far more experience than most of us, but that does mean they're training ideas and philosophy are cardinal law.
Take their advice and apply it but always keep in mind that there is no perfect training method. Conditioning is necessary, but if conditioning is everything you do, then you have nothing and vice versa. All tricks and no conditioning equals the same failure.
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« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2008, 11:34:24 AM » |
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Please note guys, that yes, PK Gen are far more experience than most of us, but that does mean they're training ideas and philosophy are cardinal law. Obviously no one is perfect, but PK Gen is made up of, and work closely with many of the founders of the discipline. If you think that PK Gen does a lot of conditioning, go train with the Yamakasi. The first year of your training is entirely conditioning. Take their advice and apply it but always keep in mind that there is no perfect training method. Conditioning is necessary, but if conditioning is everything you do, then you have nothing and vice versa. All tricks and no conditioning equals the same failure.
At its base, parkour is about strength. Before movement, there was a quest to be strong: mentally and physically. Most people forget this, and train too much movement without being well conditioned. (I know I did for much of my training, and probably still do this to be honest.) The PK Gen practices keep this in mind, and try to prepare people physically for the stresses of parkour.
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« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2008, 02:16:42 PM » |
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Well Chris, I think I'll give what you said a try. For the next few weeks or so I break up the days and see where that put me after a while.
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« Reply #25 on: October 12, 2008, 06:46:05 PM » |
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excelent! i hope it works as well for you as it has for us.
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"Be like water making its way through cracks. Do not be assertive, but adjust to the object, and you shall find a way around or through it." - Bruce Lee if you don't enjoy training alone, your training for the wrong reasons. www.oklahomaparkour.tk
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« Reply #26 on: October 12, 2008, 10:23:03 PM » |
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Don't pop my bubble...  Haha.  Hahaha ya man, no worries playing is good, I really enjoy it. But if you want to play, stay here. It's ok, you can fall, or miss, just brake something...I don't know.  (SV)
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« Reply #27 on: October 13, 2008, 11:24:23 AM » |
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Please note guys, that yes, PK Gen are far more experience than most of us, but that does mean they're training ideas and philosophy are cardinal law. Obviously no one is perfect, but PK Gen is made up of, and work closely with many of the founders of the discipline. If you think that PK Gen does a lot of conditioning, go train with the Yamakasi. The first year of your training is entirely conditioning. Take their advice and apply it but always keep in mind that there is no perfect training method. Conditioning is necessary, but if conditioning is everything you do, then you have nothing and vice versa. All tricks and no conditioning equals the same failure.
At its base, parkour is about strength. Before movement, there was a quest to be strong: mentally and physically. Most people forget this, and train too much movement without being well conditioned. (I know I did for much of my training, and probably still do this to be honest.) The PK Gen practices keep this in mind, and try to prepare people physically for the stresses of parkour. At its base, parkour is about movement. Not strength. Strength is a means by which we obtain movement by not the other way around.
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« Reply #28 on: October 13, 2008, 11:42:29 AM » |
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in okc we divide training into two catagories: technical training and conditioning. we do both equally and everyone is progressing well. in technical training the primary focus is perfecting each movement until you can break it down into several techniques, then further perfect those small techniques until it becomes second nature to move with perfect technique. and conditioning days wich are actually based off of the pk gen conditioning. i think it is important to have an equal ballance between both, because i have found that if i focus too much on conditioning then i become very strong, but my technique suffers and the other way around just the same.
In Austin, we had a similar setup with technical and conditioning days separate. However, I found that a lot of people were coming to technical days and skipping conditioning days, especially the newer kids who needed conditioning the most. At PK Gen's meetup in Columbus, I posed the question to Dan, who more or less crystalized everything we were doing that weekend into what should have been an obvious statement. He said not to make one day a skill day, another day a conditioning day, and so forth. Training is training. When you train, you train your strength, your technique, your fear, your dexterity, everything. I'm guessing this is why they have so many vastly different exercises strung together in a row in their sessions. I have heard all about Forrest legendary warm-ups and I'm really looking forward to partaking in one when I get the opportunity to train with PK Gen. I also know the emphasis they put on conditioning, but if that's the kinda class they put you through, then I understand how 2 or 3 hours is enough.
I personally think I make conditioning a big part of my training, but that was like 80% conditioning! I'll keep that in mind.
Condition moar! Many practitioners consider 80% conditioning to 20% skill to be a good mix. When I lead Austin's workouts, I try to model it after PK Gen's workouts, so that everyone's gotten a lot of conditioning in throughout the day, and turn some skill work into conditioning as well.
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« Reply #29 on: October 13, 2008, 12:53:57 PM » |
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Please note guys, that yes, PK Gen are far more experience than most of us, but that does mean they're training ideas and philosophy are cardinal law. Obviously no one is perfect, but PK Gen is made up of, and work closely with many of the founders of the discipline. If you think that PK Gen does a lot of conditioning, go train with the Yamakasi. The first year of your training is entirely conditioning. Take their advice and apply it but always keep in mind that there is no perfect training method. Conditioning is necessary, but if conditioning is everything you do, then you have nothing and vice versa. All tricks and no conditioning equals the same failure.
At its base, parkour is about strength. Before movement, there was a quest to be strong: mentally and physically. Most people forget this, and train too much movement without being well conditioned. (I know I did for much of my training, and probably still do this to be honest.) The PK Gen practices keep this in mind, and try to prepare people physically for the stresses of parkour. At its base, parkour is about movement. Not strength. Strength is a means by which we obtain movement by not the other way around. This might be one of those things which doesn't exactly have a right answer, but from talking to Dan this is what I picked up. The guys who started training l'art du deplacement (which eventually became known as parkour after being renamed by David, or freerunnning when renamed for Jump London) as we know it, began training as a quest for strength. As they trained to become strong, they began to look for ways to challenge themselves. Eventually, they used movement as a way to challenge themselves and push their abilities. ...but either way, its all sorta semantics. In order to practice the movements of parkour safely at a high level (or even to seek to practice them at a high level) you have to become holistically strong. If you lack any sort of strength (physically in any way, or mentally) the movement you train should bring out your weakness for you to improve on.
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