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« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2008, 09:52:45 AM »

Meditation is harder than I thought, but it did help. My mind apparently is very hyper. I was able to hold a no mind type deal for about 5 or 6 seconds, then it just wandered. I had to keep focused.

Animus- no AIM, but I could PM.

Ugh.. get with the TIMES, man!  What is this?  1985?  Instantaneous communication!  It's a wondrous thing.

Plus.. file transfers over AIMs are faster than uploading to some server.
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« Reply #16 on: August 15, 2008, 04:08:55 PM »

Achieving "no mind" as it's often called, for only a few seconds at a time is pretty normal. Don't get too wound up in seeing how long you can go, just allow yourself to move in and out of "no mind" as you practice. Eventually with practice you will find it easier and easier to get there. But if you get caught up in timing yourself or thinking you are a "good" or "bad" meditator based on how your meditations go, you will work against your practice.

Yes, it is very hard, but with daily practice it will get easier, I promise. Smiley
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« Reply #17 on: August 15, 2008, 05:04:52 PM »

I experimented with meditaion for a while, and I still use it. I got to the point that I could reach no-mind intantaneously or meditate with my eyes open, by just focusing on a single object for quite a long period of time. Eventually, my eyes went into tunnel vision mode, and the entire universe felt like it contained only me and the object. Pretty cool feeling, but mostly what was above was off topic, and a random thought. For my two cent's look below:

I had a similar problem. I would just lie awake every night for at least a half-hour somtimes as long as two. Now I know that my problem isn't as serious as yours, but, it was still prventing me from getting sleep. Eventually I got to the point where I was so fed up with not sleeping, that I would just force myself to sleep. (Often through methods that I now know are meditation methods. This was before I really found out what it was.) And now I can usually fall asleep within a twnty minute period.

Basically, I will myself to sleep every night. You just have to really want to sleep, and be commited to trying. And, yes. I do know this may not help you at all, but I do want to help. It sucks when you don't get enough sleep, I can't imagine how bad it is when you have had no sleep whatsoever.
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« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2008, 08:47:18 PM »

Drugs don't help.  They're just a quick fix.  Trust me on that one.  They begin to stop working very quickly, and you find yourself taking more and more.  I got up to a very dangerous amount, because sleep became an addiction, but the only way I could sleep was to take those pills (which no longer worked).  Lately, I've been using what's called brainwave entrainment.

Basically, our brainwaves resonate at certain frequencies depending on our state of consciousness.  An alert "beta phase" is 14-30Hz.  The alpha phase is a very relaxed one, but awake.  This is normally the resonance achieved through meditation, but can also be reached by relaxing on your sofa watching TV.  It's around 8-14Hz.  Theta stage is achieved during sleep and REM sleep and is 5-8Hz.  And the delta stage is deep sleep at .5Hz to 4Hz.

These frequencies are inaudible to the human ear (veeeeeeeery low bass).  If you play two different frequencies in two different ears that ARE in audible range of the human ear and they are less than 30Hz apart (500Hz and 510Hz, for instance), the sine waves for each will resonate in your skull, canceling each other out, because by virtue of being two different pitches so close together, they are out-of-phase.  What ends up happening is called a binaural beat.  The sound like be like a flutter or a pulse, the frequency being the difference of the two tones.

Your brain will interpret the difference as what it needs to attune to (like two tuning forks attuning to each other) if you meditate on the beat.  you can try to do other stuff, but it's really weird, because your brain will try to attune regardless.  In any case, you can bring yourself into theta stage using this technology, or delta stage, and it can help a lot in getting you to sleep by "tricking" your brain.

Just uh... never operate a motor vehicle while listening to a binaural beat.  Even just walking around is really weird.

http://www.bwgen.com/theory.htm
http://www.thethoughts.co.uk/online-brainwave-entrainment-center/
Amunis, that's freaking awesome. Could you create downloads for them in mp3 format?
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« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2008, 09:46:38 AM »

Yeah yeah, Animus you can be hating on my lack of technology, but I bet you didn't know that I live central Montana with a population of 6...and I ride a cow to school!

...anyways...I'll just PM you.
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« Reply #20 on: August 20, 2008, 05:34:07 PM »

omg. you could ride your cow to school... and then EAT IT
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« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2008, 01:12:58 PM »

That would only work once.  Wink
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