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« on: August 09, 2008, 11:01:09 AM »

This is really starting to wear on my nerves. I actually am having to skip my training with the Houston team because I go so little sleep. I have had some sort of sleeping problem since at least 6th or 7th grade, now I'm a junior in high school and I still have the same crap to deal with. I will go days and days with only sleeping like 3 or 4 hours total. I want to sleep, but I just can't. I have tried everything in the depths of my knowledge to help me: everything from not eating past six, reading before bed, doing hundreds push-ups, counting to 10,000, and all kinds of other crap. Does anyone have any suggestions?
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« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2008, 03:12:19 PM »

Keep a sleep log for a month then see a doctor. Even record things about dreams. Don't stop logging in it after your doctor visit.
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« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2008, 12:21:30 AM »

i dont want to go around promoting drug use or anything, but taking Melatonin tablets helps me sleep when im too energetic. its a fake seratonin (sp?), which is what your body produces to help you sleep.  its non prescription and "natural," but you may want to look into habit forming risks before tossing back a few. good luck.
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« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2008, 11:04:58 PM »

my opinion is just as good as anyone else's....

for this reason...

waste no time and see a doctor...maybe even a psychiatrist.  Tell the doctor you want to avoid drugs, if possible.

In my experiences with insomnia I had to set up a structured sleep routine (that I still follow).

Before that, i set up  series of visualizations that helped me -- walking up a long hallway, down a long stairway, etc.  The visualizations would fill themselves in with pictures on the walls or things through certain doors.  I would get creative with it. Sometimes it led to lucid dreaming.

That's just my experiences. 

See a doctor and tell them that you don't want to take drugs, if possible...
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« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2008, 05:58:21 AM »

Drugs don't help.  They're just a quick fix.  Trust me on that one.  They begin to stop working very quickly, and you find yourself taking more and more.  I got up to a very dangerous amount, because sleep became an addiction, but the only way I could sleep was to take those pills (which no longer worked).  Lately, I've been using what's called brainwave entrainment.

Basically, our brainwaves resonate at certain frequencies depending on our state of consciousness.  An alert "beta phase" is 14-30Hz.  The alpha phase is a very relaxed one, but awake.  This is normally the resonance achieved through meditation, but can also be reached by relaxing on your sofa watching TV.  It's around 8-14Hz.  Theta stage is achieved during sleep and REM sleep and is 5-8Hz.  And the delta stage is deep sleep at .5Hz to 4Hz.

These frequencies are inaudible to the human ear (veeeeeeeery low bass).  If you play two different frequencies in two different ears that ARE in audible range of the human ear and they are less than 30Hz apart (500Hz and 510Hz, for instance), the sine waves for each will resonate in your skull, canceling each other out, because by virtue of being two different pitches so close together, they are out-of-phase.  What ends up happening is called a binaural beat.  The sound like be like a flutter or a pulse, the frequency being the difference of the two tones.

Your brain will interpret the difference as what it needs to attune to (like two tuning forks attuning to each other) if you meditate on the beat.  you can try to do other stuff, but it's really weird, because your brain will try to attune regardless.  In any case, you can bring yourself into theta stage using this technology, or delta stage, and it can help a lot in getting you to sleep by "tricking" your brain.

Just uh... never operate a motor vehicle while listening to a binaural beat.  Even just walking around is really weird.

http://www.bwgen.com/theory.htm
http://www.thethoughts.co.uk/online-brainwave-entrainment-center/
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« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2008, 06:32:05 AM »

+1 Animus

I dont have clinical sleeping problems, but there are just CERTAIN NIGHTS when one finds it SO DAMN HARD to sleep. This helps people without regular sleeping problems as well. So thanks for this.
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« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2008, 10:03:51 AM »

Thank you for you comments.

Animus-Haha, that's like the craziest thing I have ever heard, but it is worth a try. I would assume that you could listen to this binaural beat via Ipod, or what?
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« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2008, 10:33:04 AM »

Thank you for you comments.

Animus-Haha, that's like the craziest thing I have ever heard, but it is worth a try. I would assume that you could listen to this binaural beat via Ipod, or what?

Yeah.  There's apparently some loss due to mp3 compression, but it's never been a problem for me.  Some binaural beats work better than others, though.  I have a small collection of them and some just don't work for me whatsoever.. others can get me in a weird trance in under 30 seconds.
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« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2008, 08:44:57 AM »

Ugh...last night was terrible (that's what she said): I went to bed at 10 and was supposed to wake up at 8, but I literally laid awake the whole night racking up a whooping 0 hours of sleep. Not that it was a special occurrence or something, but this has worn me down physically and mentally so much that I am willing to try absolutely anything at this point.

Animus-could I get this binaural deal of of limewire?
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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2008, 10:05:59 AM »

I'm doubting it.  I'll upload some for you when I get home, if I remember.
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« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2008, 09:02:33 AM »

Alternatively:

1. Establish a routine prior to bed and stick to it every time. Mine goes something like this:

A. 90 minutes before bed: Shower, and change into pj's. Turn down the bed and dim the bedroom lights.

B. Drink 1 cup chamomile, or chamomile-lavender, tea. Celestial Seasonings brand's "Sleepytime" or a similar product (there are several herbal tea companies that have sleep teas) also works well.

C. One hour before bed: Yoga practice. I use videos or sometimes just my own series of poses based on what feels right at the time. There is a ton of stuff out there. www.yogajournal.com is a good place to look for poses and their "pose finder" function will help you search specifically for relaxing poses/poses to help you sleep.

Even just gentle stretching, with full and relaxed breathing, will help if you don't want to do yoga.

D. Meditation practice. Sit comfortably and take slow, deep breaths. Concentrate on your breathing. You may have thoughts buzzing around in your head; just let them go. Don't try to "catch" them or think about them, and don't let it frustrate you that your brain is busy when it's "supposed" to be quiet. Return your concentration to your breath and try to hold it there. Breathe deeply and slowly. It will take practice. Sometimes it is helpful to meditate lying down. Since all yoga sequences end with a savasana (lying on your back, resting), it can be easy to transition from this into a lying-down meditation.

Animus' binaural beats may help you here.

Also there are threads in here about meditation that talk about it in more detail if you'd like more information.

Usually by the time I come out of my meditation I am very mellowed-out and I go up to my bed which is already turned-down and looks very calming, with the lights dimmed and everything.

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That said, it is important to determine why you aren't sleeping because if you can fix that, then the rest will fall into place. Otherwise if you don't address that issue then anything you do will just be a "band-aid" solution. This is why the previous suggestions of keeping a journal or tracking your sleepless experiences are so important. If it's because you're thinking about what you have to do the next day, a simple solution can be to just write down a list for tomorrow. This helps me a lot. When my work is done for the day, before I start my little routine, above, I sit at my desk and think about all the things I need to do the next day, and I write them down in a little list, and prioritize them, and schedule them and whatnot (there is also a significant amount of color-coding that goes on, but I am a little OCD and that's a topic for a separate thread) Smiley

Once the list is done, I feel "free" of those tasks because I know there is nothing I can do about them until the daytime anyway, and I don't worry about forgetting them because they are written down and all set for me to attack when I wake up the next day.

If you're having trouble sleeping because your bedding is not comfortable, do what you need to do to fix that, as much as your budget allows--but prioritize it. Look into foam mattress tops, even just new sheets or different pillows. Are you too hot or too cold? Make adjustments to your sleeping environment until you are comfortable. If there is too much light in the room (I personally have to have a pitch-black cave to sleep well), invest in some room-darkening shades or an eye-mask to wear while sleeping. If there are noises, or silence, that bother you, find a white-noise machine or an ocean CD or something. Or some binaural beats. Or noise-cancelling headphones, or even earplugs. Do everything you can to make your sleeping environment something that will encourage sleep.

Also, check out your diet and lifestyle. No caffeine past noon is a good rule of thumb. Vigorous exercising too close to bedtime can wake you up, although for some people the "runner's high" is enough to knock them out. So you will have to experiment and see what works for you. It may be better to move your workout to the morning, or change the type of workout you do in the evening, depending. How is your carb and sugar intake? Some people have weird dreams and insomnia if they eat too close to bed; others need a little something in their stomach in order to sleep. Again, keep track of this stuff in your journal and examine what does and doesn't work for you.

If I had to guess, I would say it is probably some sort of anxious energy that is keeping you awake. Getting a handle on stress-management techniques will really help. Often when people can't sleep, they start stressing about the fact that they're not sleeping, and worrying about how tired they'll be the next day. And then they get frustrated and that makes the problem worse. Deciding where you're getting anxious and what triggers it will help a lot.

Good luck!
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« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2008, 09:08:55 AM »

Thank you Muse and Animus and the others for your help.

I have pretty much narrowed it down to anxiety. I have stopped eating past 6:30 or so, I try to be completely done with and training and whatnot past 5, I meditate, I try my best to relax, but it just wont stop. I think I"ll try to make sleepytime schedule like Muse said, and I'll see how that works.
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« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2008, 09:49:59 AM »

Remember that meditation, like anything else, takes practice. It's not a "magic bullet." It will require you to stick to it (just like parkour training) for a period of time until you become more skilled and your body-mind gets used to it. So don't go into meditation with the idea that you are going to "try" to relax. Just go into it with no expectations except that you will concentrate on your breathing. Let the meditation invite you into it. If you get frustrated and caught up in "trying" to "fix" your sleep problem, you will work against yourself. Smiley

Even if seated or lying meditation is a challenge, try just focusing completely on your breathing during your getting-ready-for-bed routine. Take full, slow, conscious breaths through the whole deal--getting into your pj's, stretching, shower, whatever your routine takes. Just slowing down your breath, oxygenating the body, and turning your attention to nothing more than this natural, basic cycle can help a lot. Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2008, 09:52:08 AM »

shae, add me to AIM and remind me there.. else I'll keep forgetting.
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« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2008, 09:39:39 AM »

Meditation is harder than I thought, but it did help. My mind apparently is very hyper. I was able to hold a no mind type deal for about 5 or 6 seconds, then it just wandered. I had to keep focused.

Animus- no AIM, but I could PM.
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