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Shae "shae" Perkins
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« on: August 03, 2008, 09:55:04 PM »

Personally I really like to run. I run almost every day of the week a hard as I can and I have been doing this for almost 2 years. It has become second nature to me and is by far my strong point in Parkour, but can you run too much. I remember my uncle (who is more or less a body builder) saying that the first 5-10 minutes your body burns all the nutrients in your blood stream, next 5-10 minutes it's your digestive system, then your fat, and after an hour or so it will begin to burn muscle. That makes sense because if you marathon runners the obviously have good running legs but they seem awful skinny. Being that I am standing at only 5-6% body fat and don't have a lot of muscle to burn I just thought it might be nice to hear what some of you might have to say on the matter of running too much. Thanks.
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« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2008, 10:04:24 PM »

Everything your uncle said is wrong. Go read a strength and conditioning textbook.

As long as you eat enough to maintain muscle mass, you won't burn any of it off unless you're running large amounts of mileage (like >5 miles per day probably).
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« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2008, 10:07:29 PM »

physiologically, what you're saying makes no sense to me.  Like steve said, need to read up on your physiology.

I suggest these posts from the CF board where Steve explains how energy is used in detail...

Physiology of Energy Pathways (Posts 1, 2, 3, 14 and 15)
http://www.board.crossfit.com/showthread.php?t=34319

You don't use the nutrients from your digestive system.  I don't even know what that means.

Depending on your goals running a marathon is too much.  Depending on your goals, running a half marathon is too much.  Depending on your goals, running a 10K is too much.  Depending on your goals running a 5k is too much.  Depending on your goals, running 1 mile is too much.  Depending on your goals running 400 m is too much.

Notice a trend?  Depends on your goals Tongue

Steve doesn't run more than 400m.  I never ran more than 10k.  Most of the population will never run a marathon.

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« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2008, 07:12:39 AM »

Like Chris said whether you are running too much partly depends on what your goals are.  But even if you goal is to run a marathon or a 10k you certainly can run too much.  If you are perpetually fatigued, your joints hurt, or you are always getting sick, those are good signs that you need to run less and give your body more rest.  If you are running "hard" ever day of the week you probably are not going to get as fast as you could be because you are not getting as much recovery as you need between hard efforts.  Try taking an easy day or two between hard runs, and you might be surprised how much faster and longer you can run.
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« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2008, 09:55:01 AM »

Haha, from what you guys said I'de have to agree that my uncle most likely doesn't know what he's talking about. Also from the fact that I haven't actually found any article or research about what he said reiterates that fact.

All I have found is: the 10% rule of increasing no more that 10% of your running distance a week, and that the human body is better suited to shorted exertions of energy better that long periods of less strenuous activity, though the human body can adapt to really anything.

SO, let me revise my question: I should run based on my goals, but is there a point where I am running too much to the point where it actually harms me?
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« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2008, 10:08:33 AM »

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is there a point where I am running too much to the point where it actually harms me?

Yes.  In my personal experience, I had a time in my life when I ran too much.  Some of the harm that came to me was permanent damage to the cartilage in my knee, anemia, never ending colds, dangerously low body fat, poor performance, and general perpetual fatigue.  The 10% rule is a good one, but you need to listen to your body and watch your performance rate.  Also running more and more miles doesn't necessarily make you a better runner.  I know people who run 3-5 times a week and yet I can still kick their butt in a 5k even though I run maybe 1-2 times a month.  If you love running and want to just run for the sake of running, go ahead and run as fast and hard and long as your want, but if your goal is to be a faster runner at a particular distance, you probably want to put more structure your running.
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« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2008, 10:41:27 AM »

If you love running and want to just run for the sake of running, go ahead and run as fast and hard and long as your want, but if your goal is to be a faster runner at a particular distance, you probably want to put more structure your running.

Agreed.  This is why we are stressing goals so much.

If you want to a a powerhouse (40 inch vertical, 11 foot broad jump, etc) then running more than 400m at a time may be overkill in and of itself.

If you want to be an endurance beast (i don't know why one would really want this, but whatever) then running higher volumes isnt so bad.

Either case, if you want to improve performance over a long distance or short one, you need to structure your program with attainable goals.

Running just to run is as silly as lifting weights just to lift.

Should be constantly progressing towards a goal.
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« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2008, 12:16:39 PM »

China is littered with cautionary tales against overtraining.
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« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2008, 07:46:33 PM »


That is so sad... Cry

I never really ran much because I was asily winded, I used to think that I had a cardio-vascular system that needed major work, but after reading Charles Morland's, (I hope that I remembered the name right), Approach to proper running technique article, I have found that my cardio-vascular system is at least 15 times more efficient than I had formerly thought. I have made a goal for myself, it's very recent, to be able to run two-miles in 20 minutes, without sore legs and without being winded. I this a good ide since before, I generally avoided running?
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« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2008, 08:42:56 PM »

Well my over all goal is to be as good as a runner as possible. I train everything between hardcore endurance, all out sprints, and every variation between. So I think I get it: goals=training. I want to be a very good all around runner so that's what I need to train.

Kevin-can you expand on how you ran too much?
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« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2008, 08:49:25 PM »

And your goals are.. what exactly? You never specified.
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« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2008, 08:52:01 PM »

I suggest these posts from the CF board where Steve explains how energy is used in detail...

Physiology of Energy Pathways (Posts 1, 2, 3, 14 and 15)
http://www.board.crossfit.com/showthread.php?t=34319

This is amazing.  +1 Chris for linking, and +1 Steve for being 31 flavours of awesome.
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« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2008, 07:41:48 AM »

Well my over all goal is to be as good as a runner as possible. I train everything between hardcore endurance, all out sprints, and every variation between. So I think I get it: goals=training. I want to be a very good all around runner so that's what I need to train.

Kevin-can you expand on how you ran too much?

When I was in high school, during the summer I would run 8-14 miles a day at between 7-8 minute miles everyday except Sunday.  There a runners who can handle running that much everyday, but they build up to it over many years.  I was doing this to prepare for cross-country season in the fall.  But something would always happen that would make me have to stop training for a few weeks right before cross-country season.  One year it was damage to my knee cartilage so bad I could barely walk.  Another year it was anemia caused by the destruction of too many red blood cells and not enough iron in my diet to rebuild them.  Every year it was colds that took weeks to go away. The point is running long and hard everyday is really hard on your body.  I got to be a decent all-around runner.  I could run a 23 second 200 meters and 37:20 10k.  But I always think how much better I could have been if I had been constantly plagued by the setbacks caused by overtraining.  As far as your goals go, it is very hard to be good at everything.  If you like endurance and sprinting, you might want to concentrate on something like the 800 or the mile. 
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