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« on: July 17, 2008, 08:11:38 PM » |
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First and foremost, I know that topic already has a few threads about it, but I have to create my own to fully express my anger, and disgust.
Having Dish Network, I recorded G4 tv's E3 '08 live. Having just recently gone back to watch it, I see the demo for Mirrors Edge. Initialy I was excited to hear about the video game that was based off of Parkour/Freerunning, however... As soon as they gave a close up of the demo I was utterly disgusted.
The first thing that I noticed that should have given me an indicator the whole thing was horribly wrong, was the fact that anytime they mentioned Parkour or freerunning, which they rarely did anyways, that they would use the terms interchangabley, completley so. Normally not a major mistake, easy to correct someone on, but it didn't stop there. Not by a long shot.
Secondly: Within the first few seconds of the demo it became painfully clear that this was a game and just that. It is NOT A Freerunning/Parkour simulator. Instead it is basically a game where you run around, jump buildings, run away from and sometimes fight the police.
Which brings me to the most disgusting observation about this demo. Within 5 minutes, it displayed EVERYTHING that you shouldn't do as Traceur or Freerunner. Jumping in-between buildings, busting in doors, running from the police, and, if it wasn't bad enough, fighting the police.
What really disgusted me was the fact that even though this is SUPPOSED to be a Freerunning sim, that there was no Freerunning or Parkour involved. Instead, she simply climbs up onto things, runs, jumps, and every now and again, when you push the six axis controller forward, she rolls. All of this can be found in standard platformers. Furthermore until I am proven wrong, I will make the statement that they are simply using the names of serious physical disciplines which are fairly widely known to promote a game that is at its heart the standard platformer.
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« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2008, 08:14:14 PM » |
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« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2008, 09:18:24 PM » |
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I agree, but sometimes with stuff like this, we just have to sit back and enjoy the game for what it is, it's hard, but there's nothing we can do about it.
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« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2008, 09:36:25 PM » |
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Who said Mirror's Edge was a Freerunning sim? I read that its a "shooter based on movement" and "Inspired by Parkour" (source: http://wiki.on-mirrors-edge.com/index.php?title=What_is_Mirror%27s_Edge%3F) Within 5 minutes, it displayed EVERYTHING that you shouldn't do as Traceur or Freerunner. Jumping in-between buildings, busting in doors, running from the police, and, if it wasn't bad enough, fighting the police.
You're right. We shouldnt do these things as traceurs. That's why we do them in a game instead of IRL. I'm really excited about playing this game just to do some of that. I do wish that it didn't show parkour in a negative light, fighting police and whatnot. I'm sure, in the end, we will see that she is doing the right thing and the police are just in the way. BUT, at a glimpse it will look negative, and a glimpse is all that some people(parents) will get.
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« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2008, 10:01:11 PM » |
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Who said Mirror's Edge was a Freerunning sim? I read that its a "shooter based on movement" and "Inspired by Parkour" (source: http://wiki.on-mirrors-edge.com/index.php?title=What_is_Mirror%27s_Edge%3F) Within 5 minutes, it displayed EVERYTHING that you shouldn't do as Traceur or Freerunner. Jumping in-between buildings, busting in doors, running from the police, and, if it wasn't bad enough, fighting the police.
You're right. We shouldnt do these things as traceurs. That's why we do them in a game instead of IRL. I'm really excited about playing this game just to do some of that. I do wish that it didn't show parkour in a negative light, fighting police and whatnot. I'm sure, in the end, we will see that she is doing the right thing and the police are just in the way. BUT, at a glimpse it will look negative, and a glimpse is all that some people(parents) will get. Taken from the game's wikipedia page: The game is set in a conformist dystopia in which communication is heavily monitored by a totalitarian regime, and so a network of runners, including the main character, Faith, are used to transmit messages while evading government surveillance.What really disgusted me was the fact that even though this is SUPPOSED to be a Freerunning sim, that there was no Freerunning or Parkour involved. Instead, she simply climbs up onto things, runs, jumps, and every now and again, when you push the six axis controller forward, she rolls. All of this can be found in standard platformers. Furthermore until I am proven wrong, I will make the statement that they are simply using the names of serious physical disciplines which are fairly widely known to promote a game that is at its heart the standard platformer.
I dont understand why you think it doesnt have parkour in it. She traverses quickly through sets of obstacles in order to get to a destination in an efficient amount of time. Parkour isn't a collection of movements...its just movement. Just because you can't do a "kong to precision" in the game doesn't mean it isn't parkour.
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« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2008, 11:25:57 PM » |
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Who ever said it was supposed to be a freerunning sim?
and secondly you are retarded. mountains outta molehills man.
and everything tom said was spot on.
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“You do freerunning or parkour, I don’t know, but both are the same. Some people are worried about it, but they are people that don’t train for too long, people that…in terms of training, aren’t mature yet. […] One day I’d like to wake up, open my window, and everyones doing parkour." -Ali Shelton
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I'm not a lover OR a fighter... I'm a runner.
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« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2008, 07:48:18 AM » |
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I'd hate to see the video game selection if every game represented their inspiration 100 percent accurately... I know I've seen people take their skateboards and grind the top of the capitol building, out on to a flag pole, drop 75 feet while doing 3 flips, and then land in a mini ramp  Nice Tony Hawk reference... :p
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« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2008, 08:38:00 AM » |
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I own GTA 4 and before i did i never thought of going out and robbing places and stealing cars, but it just really all around inspired me so now i rob my local shops everyday!!!!
If people actually took everything in videogames completely seriously then things like that would actually happen, but they dont
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I'm not a lover OR a fighter... I'm a runner.
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« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2008, 08:45:44 AM » |
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Tell me about it... After Mortal Kombat, I picked up decapatation as a hobby... next to parkour, of course... 
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« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2008, 11:47:47 AM » |
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Tell me about it... After Mortal Kombat, I picked up decapatation as a hobby... next to parkour, of course...  haha +1 for that
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« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2008, 12:42:17 PM » |
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I just came onto the forums to make a thread like this one.
It isn't a freerunning sim, but it seems like it's trying to act like one. Anyone who tries to do what Faith does is going to break their necks, as Faith would in RL. This game isn't about the efficiency in Parkour, it's about using Parkour as a gimmick to create theatrical moves and epic combat scenes to draw a crowd. Whether it's a simulation or not, they're taking Parkour and turning it into a fighting style, or a way to run away. Simulation or not, they TOTALLY missed the spirit of Parkour, went in the opposite direction, even, and that's what I'm mad about.
Plus, this is another piece of media where a Traceur is portrayed as a bad guy! Has anyone seen a movie or game yet where a Traceur is a good guy? 'Cause this is all I've seen:
Live Free or Die Hard: The bad guy who single-handedly destroys America has a Traceur for a right-hand man.
Casino Royale: An evil Traceur near the beginning of the movie provides a way to show Bond's cunning and is quickly fought off.
Infamous: A Traceur is given superpowers and is made an electricity wielding bad guy who is given the power to "accidentally" blow up everything in his path.
Parkour: Two Traceur bank-robbers are being tailed by an FBI agent who has to "infiltrate the world of Parkour" (lol).
And, of course, Mirror's Edge: Faith, that idiot Mafia wannabe, literally didn't even know how to roll; what's with all the skids and bone-breaking jumps?
Is it just me, or is the media trying to make bad guys out of us? What's up with that?
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« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2008, 01:23:53 PM » |
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Live Free or Die Hard: The bad guy who single-handedly destroys America has a Traceur for a right-hand man.
That "traceur" is Cyril Raffaelli, an accomplished stunt man who not only practices parkour, but also a few different martial arts. He was also in Kiss of the Dragon, a Jet Li film, where he plays a bad guy and fights Jet Li using his martial arts experience. Using your logic, would you say that movie is trying to portray martial arts in a bad light? Didn't think so. And, of course, Mirror's Edge: Faith, that idiot Mafia wannabe, literally didn't even know how to roll; what's with all the skids and bone-breaking jumps?
I have no idea where you got the mafia idea from, but Mirror's edge has nothing to do with the mafia. It takes place in a futuristic world that is controlled by a "totalitarian regime" and Faith is portrayed as a heroine. You probably haven't seen much from the game because you can roll on big jumps for a safe landing. Are the "skids" you are referring to the move that allows you to slide underneath obstacles? If so, then I'm not sure why you have your panties in a bunch over it. Given the right circumstances (smooth surface, proper attire, etc.) sliding under obstacles can be very effective and useful. I'm sure you've seen a video of a traceur using a sliding technique to overcome an obstacle, but if you haven't then that means you probably haven't seen enough videos and are too busy complaining about minute problems that hardly concern you. Like I said before...get over it. Is it just me, or is the media trying to make bad guys out of us? What's up with that?
Its just you. The media isn't trying to make us look bad. The media sees parkour as a money making opportunity. Nobody is actually thinking "lets try to portray these people as evil." Its just entertainment. Don't take it personal.
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« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2008, 01:39:48 PM » |
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District B13. Traceurs are good guys.
Listen dude, every video game that exists uses something to appeal to the minds and emotions of the common person. In this case they are using our discipline and making it extraordinary to make it look fun. If the game was about conditioning every day, then going to jams once a month, learning how to recover from sprained ankles, I don't think it would be very good. This is what video game people do.
Besides, first you complained that they HARDLY made reference to parkour/freerunning,"anytime they mentioned Parkour or freerunning, which they rarely did anyways " then you complain that they mis-represented parkour/freerunning. Maybe they weren't trying to, eh? Maybe they were just making a video game that is fun for people to play. That's typically what they do.
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« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2008, 02:36:32 PM » |
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I have a few points to make.
1. I still think they are using Parkour and Freerunning as a gimic to promote thier game.
2. Yes, I know that Parlour is not a collection of moves. But every platformer that has ever been made has been about jumping, running, and whatever else you need to do, to get from point A to point B, often ASAP. Meaning that every platformer, could be classified as having Parkour/Freerunning in them, but don't. Why would they say that Mirrors Edge is based off of Parkour when it is just a 3-D platformer, that will probably be like every other 3-D platformer, except with shinier graphics, the loss of moving platforms (early 3-D days), and guns.
3. People know not to try things they see in video games because there is a very good chance that it was exaggerated. However, if people think that there are people that actually do this stuff, then they might get it in their heads to jump of a building. Then again, most people would be smart enough to research the topic first, so who knows, I may just be rambling about nothing on this point, and I actually hope I am.
4. Lastly since the game is inspired by Parkour, it may give people misconceptions about just what it is that we do.
Oh, and X-Play frequently mentions, when they are taqlking about the game at all, that the game is a Freerunning sim. Also one of the games developers called it a Freerunning sim during G4's E3 '08 live coverage.
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