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« Reply #30 on: July 11, 2008, 07:16:54 AM » |
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What about for those who are lactose intolerant? Even a pint a day would have me weeping on the can. And unless I'm mistaken, the effects mean I don't properly absorb the nutrients, either. And I know that soy milk ain't gonna cut it for this.
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« Reply #31 on: July 11, 2008, 08:13:08 AM » |
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most people who don't drink milk need to buld up to it..
in the words of the man himself
"start with a pint at a time then work up to a quart. build up to it, just like you would a 300 lb squat"
That's a relief. I do like milk, but I usually don't drink whole milk; I imagine all those nutrients and things are going to make my body go "WTF?! He's suddenly treating me properly??" for a while; I need to get him used to it. Though this is still an expensive proposition, especially since I'm unemployed. But I'm sure even if I can't keep up this milk habit, Rippetoe's will be useful for strength building and body aesthetic, right? I seek to gain a bit, but that can wait until I can afford the diet. |
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« Reply #32 on: July 11, 2008, 08:38:42 AM » |
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What about for those who are lactose intolerant? Even a pint a day would have me weeping on the can. And unless I'm mistaken, the effects mean I don't properly absorb the nutrients, either. And I know that soy milk ain't gonna cut it for this.
I took Lactaid while I was doing it. |
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« Reply #33 on: July 11, 2008, 09:04:11 AM » |
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most people who don't drink milk need to buld up to it..
in the words of the man himself
"start with a pint at a time then work up to a quart. build up to it, just like you would a 300 lb squat"
That's a relief. I do like milk, but I usually don't drink whole milk; I imagine all those nutrients and things are going to make my body go "WTF?! He's suddenly treating me properly??" for a while; I need to get him used to it. Though this is still an expensive proposition, especially since I'm unemployed. But I'm sure even if I can't keep up this milk habit, Rippetoe's will be useful for strength building and body aesthetic, right? I seek to gain a bit, but that can wait until I can afford the diet. SS without milk is still one of the best ways to gain strength. Aesthetics are a small bonus -- you can and will get bigger. You may need to go on a fat loss program for a short while after the program depending on your progress and body type. Personally, I put on about 10 lbs in my first 2 weeks while maintaining BF% which means about 9 lbs of 10 was lean. If you're working out for aesthetics though, you and I already disagree on many levels  which is fine. i really don't see how this is an issue of cost though. My food costs top out lower on a week by week basis now than they used to. I used to spend over 100 a week on food, with milk I am at about $60-$80 and getting tons more calories. |
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« Reply #34 on: July 11, 2008, 09:53:22 AM » |
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If you're working out for aesthetics though, you and I already disagree on many levels which is fine. That's certainly not the main reason. There are easier ways to get a good-looking but useless body; I'd rather have a useful body that is also good-looking.  i really don't see how this is an issue of cost though. My food costs top out lower on a week by week basis now than they used to. I used to spend over 100 a week on food, with milk I am at about $60-$80 and getting tons more calories.
When you have absolutely no income and rely on your mother for groceries, and she refuses to get whole milk in the quantities I may need, it's an issue of cost.  I'm pressing for a job, though, so hopefully this won't be a problem for long. I could also bring it up with my mother, but she would probably give me the stink-eye about it. |
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« Reply #35 on: July 11, 2008, 10:04:49 AM » |
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How old are you?
Whenever I was living at home and experimenting with my diet and living off my mothers tab, she was fairly compliant with whatever changes I made.....so long as it was within reason. Tell her you she won't need to buy as many cookies or cereal since you will be consuming more milk.
Go through what your mom buys with her and let her know what u dont want anymore. Just doing that will show her you're serious about changing your diet and that might spark her to do it.
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« Reply #36 on: July 11, 2008, 10:34:02 AM » |
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How old are you? 20.  Should have known better than to start a career in animation right after a crippling writer's strike. Whenever I was living at home and experimenting with my diet and living off my mothers tab, she was fairly compliant with whatever changes I made.....so long as it was within reason. Tell her you she won't need to buy as many cookies or cereal since you will be consuming more milk.
Go through what your mom buys with her and let her know what u dont want anymore. Just doing that will show her you're serious about changing your diet and that might spark her to do it.
That's a good plan. I'll talk to her about it. |
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« Reply #37 on: July 14, 2008, 07:17:26 PM » |
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If you're underweight.... putting on mass could be of great benefit.
Otherwise, probably not.
I guess it speaks volumes about the world's food shortage that it's really expensive to gorge.  You're sure a protein shake won't fill this niche without me having to get two jobs to pay for groceries? in my first days here I learned about diet and supplements. Eating whole foods is the way to bulk up, and besides, Mark Rippetoe is a pro, I'd follow his advice, a protein may be added to your diet, but it's just a supplement, if you want to be an over achiever, mix your gallon of milk with protein powder, well.. pour a glass of milk and add the protein powder, and do that all day with your gallon of milk, I cant afford to buy the milk, but right now, I'm really focusing on technique, and not so much size, I've gotten stronger but not much bigger. Follow the program to the "T" but feel free to "ADD" your protein powder, not "SWITCH" your milk for protein powder. Does anyone know if there is a big difference is Mark Rippetoe's workout and the Men's Health Power Training books/workouts? |
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« Reply #38 on: July 14, 2008, 11:08:37 PM » |
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If you're underweight.... putting on mass could be of great benefit.
Otherwise, probably not.
I guess it speaks volumes about the world's food shortage that it's really expensive to gorge. You're sure a protein shake won't fill this niche without me having to get two jobs to pay for groceries? in my first days here I learned about diet and supplements. Eating whole foods is the way to bulk up, and besides, Mark Rippetoe is a pro, I'd follow his advice, a protein may be added to your diet, but it's just a supplement, if you want to be an over achiever, mix your gallon of milk with protein powder, well.. pour a glass of milk and add the protein powder, and do that all day with your gallon of milk, I cant afford to buy the milk, but right now, I'm really focusing on technique, and not so much size, I've gotten stronger but not much bigger. Follow the program to the "T" but feel free to "ADD" your protein powder, not "SWITCH" your milk for protein powder. Does anyone know if there is a big difference is Mark Rippetoe's workout and the Men's Health Power Training books/workouts? Yes. The first one will make you strong and get bigger muscles. The second one is probably a gimmick. |
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« Reply #39 on: July 15, 2008, 07:52:02 AM » |
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I wouldn't call it a gimmick, it's similar to SS in it deals with functional (bent over rows?) full body movements (its got the PC, Press, BS, DL, BP in there) but with more exercises and customization. I don't like it because it goes either-or with hypertrophy and strength gains.
Go SS.
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« Reply #40 on: July 15, 2008, 08:44:22 AM » |
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I dunno anything about the Men's Health program.
I am weary of anything that comes from that magazine, to be quite honest. I don't read any of it because its pure intellectual poison...
SS has worked for tens of thousands of trainees, if not more. It has worked for over 30 years getting insane strength and mass gains in said trainees.
I have yet to hear of one failure on SS, or one person who has gotten less than optimal results.
Take that for what its worth, i suppose.
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« Reply #41 on: July 15, 2008, 08:54:35 AM » |
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lol you guys have basically inspired me to go with SS, where can i find the SS program.
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« Reply #43 on: July 28, 2008, 09:47:20 PM » |
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so does the SS mostly take care of the four main moves, bp, squat and the deadlift? also just the emphasis on the milk drinking... it seems like the only diferent thing from this program is the whole milk drinking concept and the complete emphasis of technique on there three moves.... im tryin to research more before i buy the book and i just wanted some insight ... does the SS program come wit the whole nutrition,,, i see there are a couple of books so idk which one is the one everyone is talkin about
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« Reply #44 on: July 29, 2008, 07:42:06 AM » |
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The book you want is "Starting Strength: Basic Barbell Training 2nd Edition."
You can sum up the book in what you said, "doing the four moves; Back Squat, Bench Press, Deadliftt, and Press and drinking a gallon of whole milk a day." But there are 250ish more detailed and illustrated pages on how to prefect your form and do the moves properly to avoid injury. It also includes the proper way to program your workouts to maximize the results.
Let me know if your copy actually has a page 213.
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