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« on: June 11, 2008, 07:12:31 AM » |
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My elbow has been giving me a bit of pain for several weeks. I believe I originally strained it while starting a new exercise program on my playground. I used a playground ladder to elevate my feet significantly to try to approximate the 22deg angle of the incline bench press. I did many pushups in this position. This is probably the original injury. Wall climbs seem to stress the elbow the most and I had thought it was tied to the bicep but it seems more so tied to the left hand's grip muscles in the upper inside forearm, just below the elbow. Pull-ups cause pain, more so than chin-ups. Cat grabs and wall climbs seem to cause more pain which lasts 30 minutes after the repetitive movements before the pain level is low enough not to be noticed. I have not worked out now for a few weeks, trying to rest it, but it seems that the strangest motions seem to cause pain... like reaching over to close the sliding door of the minivan. I suppose I should go and see a doctor about it but I know he'll probably tell me to rest it. The funny thing is that I don't remember the elbow giving me any pain at BEAST COAST and we jammed hard all day! That might just be the adrenaline, or worse, aggravated the injury making it worse...  |
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Chris Salvato
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« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2008, 07:45:21 AM » |
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elbow injury diagnosis and things like that are actually not my forte -- the only injuries that i am intimately familiar with are knee and shoulder
it sounds like a connective tissue problem, to me, though -- like a strained or overused tendon....the pushups alone don't seem like a likely cause. More likely its the brutal amount of new activity and stresses you are putting on a previously underused joint.
Charles might actually be able to help you more with this. He is a bit more familiar with elbow joint problems.
Definitely stay active though...the growth hormones released by your body in response to exercise will aid the healing process greatly.
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Charles Moreland
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« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2008, 04:15:19 PM » |
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Charles might actually be able to help you more with this. He is a bit more familiar with elbow joint problems..
Har har This is in only one arm not both correct? The pain is noticeable once aggravated and lasts for a decent period of time following aggravation but tends to be unnoticeable when not exercising. Tendinitis is often an overuse injury and because of a tendons structure, takes quite a long time to heal. I know, I've been abstinent from pulling motions for the past three months. Go see a doctor and get a proper diagnosis asap. If it is what it sounds like, then yeah he'll probably tell you to rest it because that is about all you can do. Don't stop exercising though. Find out what you can do that doesn't aggravate the injury. Squats and running/cardio instantly come to mind. Focus more on your flexibility, ANYTHING that doesn't further along the injury. The good thing is it sounds like this is very new, if in fact it is tendinitis. The key thing is to not further along the injury. |
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Ken PKChiro
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« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2008, 11:54:10 PM » |
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look up tennis elbow, see if it fits
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Robulus
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« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2008, 04:51:34 AM » |
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Excellent advice gents! I looked up "tennis elbow" and it talks about the outside of the elbow. My pain is on the inside of the elbow, but the rest of the symptoms seem to kit. My chiro also suggested "soft tissue damage". Yes, only the left elbow. I've been training now for over 6 months, but only recently began cat leaps (at Beast Coast due to lack of proper obstacles near me). Perhaps this is the "brutal amount of new activity" you suggest.  I'm quite familiar with training pain and well experienced with working through pain or resting from it, depending on the type of pain. This elbow feels more like the "rest it" kind of pain than anything else I've felt. I guess it's time to listen to my body... and go see a doc.... $10 co-pay is not so bad....  |
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Steve Low
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« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2008, 04:55:49 PM » |
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Medial epicondylitis.
1. Stretch forearms
2. massage medial epicondyle & forearm flexor tendons
3. ice after any exercise
4. keep any exercise light and NON painful
5. Rest more
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« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2008, 05:12:16 PM » |
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im a tennis player, and i've experienced tennis elbow.
if it is tennis elbow, it will be a dull, somewhat spread out pain (typically) anywhere from the upper forearm to lower bicep.
you can get a tennis elbow armband at walmart for less than 10 bucks.
how old are you? it could just be growing pains.
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Charles Moreland
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« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2008, 12:20:34 AM » |
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you can get a tennis elbow armband at walmart for less than 10 bucks.
Or just get some cheap ace bandages and wrap it. The compression is what you're looking for. Something snug. Icing it will help as well but the key thing is to stop whatever is causing the aggravation. |
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Steve Low
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« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2008, 09:54:38 AM » |
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The armbands or compression helpers on your joints WILL NOT fix the problem.
So if you are wearing them to do stuff make sure you are doing some rehab/prehab strengthening/resting/icing/stretching/etc. so that you can eventually wean yourself off of them.
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Robulus
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« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2008, 05:27:04 AM » |
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how old are you? it could just be growing pains.
35..... the only "growing pains" here are muscle fatigue from learning Parkour... So, are you guys saying that I should be using cold compression packs on my elbow when I'm watching TV on the couch? I spend all day in front of the computer so I've got plenty of time for this? I typically alternate heat and ice for muscle strain. Will that alternation of temperature help with the tendon? |
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Robulus
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« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2008, 11:39:41 AM » |
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Hi all... found this after looking at urbanfreeflow.com... They call it "golfer's elbow", similar to "tennis elbow" except pain occurs on the inside of the arm. Looks like Steve Low called this one... sorry Steve, I never took latin in school. So, if this helps anyone else, here's the link. Maybe we should build something into the APK site for common traceur injuries... just a thought... http://www.sportsinjuryclinic.net/cybertherapist/front/elbow/golferselbow.htm Funny thing is, I've never played golf in my life before last friday afternoon. My elbow didn't cause me any pain at all during the 18 holes. I might not have played at all if I had known my symptoms were consistent with "golfer's elbow".  And yes, I totally sucked at it!!! Too slow paced if you ask me! I'd rather be free running! |
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Charles Moreland
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« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2008, 04:54:32 PM » |
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Will that alternation of temperature help with the tendon?
Like the website said, ice first. Icing is to reduce the inflammation. I'm not too sure if alternating post inflammation will do anything. Heat will. Maybe we should build something into the APK site for common traceur injuries... just a thought... I'd really like to think this would be a good idea, but too many people already substitute online advice from non-professionals for proper in person diagnoses from a medical professional. I can only see something like this getting abused. Maybe we should build something into the APK site for common traceur injuries... just a thought... |
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Ken PKChiro
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« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2008, 01:40:14 AM » |
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likely you need to exercise your wrist extensors. the symptoms of golfers elbow, or tennis elbow are usually the opposite muscle's ROM. An inbalance of strength. Stretching will decrease symptoms but not fix the problem. Work out teh extensors.
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Robulus
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« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2008, 02:23:06 PM » |
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Thanks all for the advice... here's a little update.... I spent much of mid to late summer resting, icing/heating my left elbow, and saw a massage therapist a number of times. She said that the lack of rest (initially) had caused the my forearm muscle (al least part of it) to "braid" from the elbow, down to the wrist. I did not understand this injury early enough to properly rest it. Half way through the summer I had an obvious decrease in strength in my left hand, to the point that helping people move furniture was very difficult. My therapist recommended using an elbow strap to put pressure on the tendon and restrict movement so that the tendon could heal. (sorry if I'm not explaining this well) After 2 months of therapy, I'm back to light upper body work, always being very cautious of my left arm, trying to rebuild strength while the tendon heals. (Tendons take longer to heal than muscles due to less natural blood flow.)
The Lesson: To quote Zach.... REST REST REST If I had realized the extent of my injury in April/May, I would be working on walls again by now! On the plus side, my precision jumps, landings, rolls, and general running endurance have improved greatly as I've been concentrating on skills that don't require the hanging muscles in the forearms. I've even got a one-armed pull-up working for me... so much for symmetry.... DOH!!!
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